High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21532 of 24700 Hp by drfill Nov 30, 2006 (5:57 am)
Folks who say they wouldn't touch a BMW 7 Series because of its interior aren't being realistic. Isn't great steering, cornering and braking and the secure feeling you get in the BMW because of these things done well what it is all about? Given the LS460 with its fancy wood and premium leather vs. the 7 Series with its impressive driving dynamics; the choice should be obvious. The BMW can help save your life. Another rational post, huh? Now the preproduction LS is unsafe to drive? Having driven both cars, yes, the choice is pretty obvious. The LS is definitely the car people will want a long-term relationship with. The 7 can be your one-night stand. If you're going to the track, take the BMW. Otherwise, take the LS. DrFill Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 8:02 am)
#21533 of 24700 Re: More on Lexus brakes [hpowders] by lexusguy Nov 30, 2006 (7:06 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 5:08 am) Given the LS460 with its fancy wood and premium leather vs. the 7 Series with its impressive driving dynamics; the choice should be obvious. The BMW can help save your life. Thats great, except most of the segment can at least come close to the BMW in performance, and all have much more impressive interiors. That, and until BMW makes a 7 series with X-drive, the AWD cars will be safer than the BMW in bad weather conditions. There's only so much ESP can do on a RWD car. Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 8:06 am)
#21534 of 24700 Re: Turmoil [syswei] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (7:59 am)
Replying to: syswei (Nov 30, 2006 5:54 am) Very true. But imagine how bad it would have been without intervention. Just look at some of those unsupervised forums. It gets pretty ugly!
#21535 of 24700 Re: Hp [drfill] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (8:02 am)
Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 5:57 am) Given the C&D braking numbers for the LS 460, I would cross it off my list. The more adventurous among you can purchase it.
#21536 of 24700 Re: More on Lexus brakes [lexusguy] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (8:06 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 30, 2006 7:06 am) Sorry, but you can have your impressive interiors. I'll take the BMW every time. A real confidence builder.
#21537 of 24700 or by dhamilton Nov 30, 2006 (8:29 am)
you can have a great interior, and great performance with that beautiful A8 . Just my 2 cents. Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 9:35 am)
#21538 of 24700 Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? by dewey Nov 30, 2006 (9:01 am)
While others, more recently, quit this board and refuse to talk to us here, instead sticking together on the LS board. Did someone drop a neutron bomb in those LS forums? Apparently there is no living being inhabiting those LS forums? Those LS euphoric tunes from yesteryears that were sung in this forum and elsewhere sounds alot today like a silent death knell. Or even worse as silent and death-like as a Lexus ride which could become real death-like if you dont press those LS brakes hard enough In fact the only survivor singing those LS tunes in this forum is DrFill himself. DrFill I do admire your resilience and I as sure there will be other LS survivors who will appear in a few years boasting about how perfect the new generation 2012 LS will be. Also I am sure that in 2011 we will hear a top Lexus executive claiming how the 2007 LS was not at all competitive to German marques but the 2012 LS will be completely different. Replies to this message: brightness04 (Nov 30, 2006 9:29 am) hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 9:49 am) houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 am) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:48 am)
#21539 of 24700 Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [dhamilton] by brightness04 Nov 30, 2006 (9:28 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 30, 2006 4:20 am) Both Honda and Toyota are formidable carmakers. So far, however, Honda has been very restrained about entering the HELC market segment with its unwillingness to make a platform that is substantially bigger than that of the Accord/TL, and RWD. IMHO, Honda's decision so far has its merit: I don't believe for a moment there is anything intrinsic about German vs. Japanese (vs. American); making a well-engineered/manufactured and reliable car is about methodology. Small volume would by necessity result in less engineering budget to work out the bugs and less capital investment for automation. That means product variation (not "variant")and quality issues. When engines and cars are hand-made, there can be no quality consistency; even Toyota can have engine failure on its race team. Honda can certainly make do without something that might sully its reputation for reliable engineering.
#21540 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [dewey] by brightness04 Nov 30, 2006 (9:29 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) Or simply that many new LS owners are having too much fun driving their cars . . . or busy making money to pay for them
#21541 of 24700 Re: or [dhamilton] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (9:35 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 30, 2006 8:29 am) Could be. If I was in the market for one of these high-end vehicles, the choice for me would be between the A8 and 7 Series.