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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Nov 29, 2006 5:24 pm) Isn't that amazing? A company with only 17yrs of history is making cars that are far better engineered/manufactured than companies that have been in business for a century? The decades of wasting time and making shoddier and shoddier cars never endear the company to consumers, witness the domestics. What people pay up for is what the company has done, _lately_. Longevity of a brand hardly correlates with either price or value. Take for example, Maybach, which had been not been making cars for some 60 years since Dr. Goebbels gave that total war speech in 1943. Yet newly revived it charges three times as much as a typical S class. On the other end of the spectrum, Oldsmobile died as a brand despite longevity, after decades of making shoddy cars. Olds was the second oldest brand in the world; should be a warning to MB. LS has not been selling on value alone for years. The reality of monthly lease cost has long preceded the convergence of MSRP's. For some of these cars, MSRP's are nearly meaningless anyway. How many original S class buyers dare/care to own the vehicle past warranty anyway? Whatever MB puts forth as the lease price is what moves the car. Just look at the R class, 2007 model is $5000+ less than 2006 model in MSRP, but magically the lease numbers work out to be $50/mo lower for 2006. So how many people in 2009 will be willing to pay $5000 more for a 2006 over a 2007 as the MB published residual implies? The MSRP's are completely detached from reality. The monthly lease price is what connects the product with consumers for the majority of MB cars. |
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 29, 2006 8:28 pm) I was also a fan of the SC300. Not enough to actually buy one (maybe if it was offered as a convertible I might have), but it had a great stereo with a very unusual factory 12-disc changer (although mp3 CD capability and hdds eliminate the need for that many discs in modern cars), excellent brakes without a hint of grabbiness, and probably the best steering Lexus has ever done, short of the IS300. Very nicely weighted with good road feel. I really dont get what drfill sees in the SC430. It lost the SC300\400's good styling, and lost all of the performance. The SC430 is a really boring car to drive. A CLK AMG makes it feel like a big Buick by comparison. Most cars make it feel like a big Buick, actually. |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 29, 2006 11:23 pm) I'm still more compelled by a company like Honda however,that seems to be more of an engineering/racing company, as opposed to Toyota's manufacturing prowess.
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Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 29, 2006 7:47 pm) Folks who say they wouldn't touch a BMW 7 Series because of its interior aren't being realistic. Isn't great steering, cornering and braking and the secure feeling you get in the BMW because of these things done well what it is all about? Given the LS460 with its fancy wood and premium leather vs. the 7 Series with its impressive driving dynamics; the choice should be obvious. The BMW can help save your life.
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Replying to: esf (Nov 29, 2006 7:41 pm) You think it has anything to do with the fact that we have hosts here and Autospies doesn't? Believe me, if this was an open forum, there would be blood in the streets, as many of us would have reached the "braking point" a long time ago! 
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 5:20 am) Some did reach the breaking point and created the High End European Luxury Sedans board last year, while others, more recently, quit this board and refuse to talk to us here, instead sticking together on the LS board.
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Folks who say they wouldn't touch a BMW 7 Series because of its interior aren't being realistic. Isn't great steering, cornering and braking and the secure feeling you get in the BMW because of these things done well what it is all about? Given the LS460 with its fancy wood and premium leather vs. the 7 Series with its impressive driving dynamics; the choice should be obvious. The BMW can help save your life. Another rational post, huh? Now the preproduction LS is unsafe to drive? Having driven both cars, yes, the choice is pretty obvious. The LS is definitely the car people will want a long-term relationship with. The 7 can be your one-night stand. If you're going to the track, take the BMW. Otherwise, take the LS.  DrFill
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 5:08 am) The BMW can help save your life. Thats great, except most of the segment can at least come close to the BMW in performance, and all have much more impressive interiors. That, and until BMW makes a 7 series with X-drive, the AWD cars will be safer than the BMW in bad weather conditions. There's only so much ESP can do on a RWD car.
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 30, 2006 5:54 am) Just look at some of those unsupervised forums. It gets pretty ugly! |
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 5:57 am) |
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