High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21498 of 24700 Re: Merc [hpowders] by anthonyp Nov 29, 2006 (12:02 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 29, 2006 5:21 am) Thats the way it shook out for me and I got the a8...The next time I will give serious consideration to the 3....I am enjoying the Mazda (I think it also is a 3) so can just imagine what a bmw would be like....I know this sounds crazy, but I find the interior to be plenty roomy, so my concern next would be the safety of the 3 vs say a 5....The bmw 7 has a very ponderous look and feel to it....I unfortunately find the bmw interiors to be lacking in the looks department, and quality of materials, but that is sort of the look for my wife`s stationwagon...Good and functional.... I further find the prices of the S A8 Bmw 7 to be getting pretty high, and now no fallback to good value with Lexus A shame Tony Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 29, 2006 1:34 pm)
#21499 of 24700 Re: Dewey [drfill] by hpowders Nov 29, 2006 (12:04 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Nov 29, 2006 5:38 am) BMW's are not and never will be about their interiors. You seem to be missing the BMW message. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 29, 2006 1:45 pm) lexusguy (Nov 29, 2006 1:59 pm) tagman (Nov 29, 2006 2:28 pm) hpowders (Nov 29, 2006 4:11 pm)
#21501 of 24700 Re: Regarding "The Test"... [esf] by dewey Nov 29, 2006 (12:26 pm)
Replying to: esf (Nov 28, 2006 5:29 pm) And, by the way, It actually doesn't start at $61-62K as Lexus says. That just makes the car look like a better value. However, the least expensive option package, which you MUST select on the Lexus website (they won't let you buy an LS460 without an option package), brings the vehicle up to $67K. A plain vanilla LS460 has a listed MSRP but is not offered at MSRP? Sort of like an ice cream vendor offering a scoop of vanilla to you for $1.00 but will only sell it to you if you order it with fudge for $5.00. I am no lawyer but this sounds like misleading pricing to me? I am sure that if a customer personally visits a Lexus dealership he will be able to order a 62K$ LS460, otherwise what is the point of listing it for sale for around $62K I love the way BMWs are priced since I hate gizmos. I end up spending not so much money since both my 5 and 3 series are optioned with a modestly priced Sport Package and a metallic paint colour. Nothing more and nothing less. I would not have it any other way. Even in restaurants I hate fixed menus where I am forced to eat things that I hate like a tofu salad. A La Carte and freedom choice is the only way to go IMO. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 29, 2006 1:26 pm) tagman (Nov 29, 2006 1:38 pm)
#21502 of 24700 Re: Regarding "The Test"... [dewey] by lexusguy Nov 29, 2006 (1:26 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 29, 2006 12:26 pm) A plain vanilla LS460 has a listed MSRP but is not offered at MSRP? Sort of like an ice cream vendor offering a scoop of vanilla to you for $1.00 but will only sell it to you if you order it with fudge for $5.00. This is nothing new. The ES and RX were technically "available" (I'm not sure if they still are) with no options and cloth seats, but there's not a chance that any dealer would order any like that.
#21503 of 24700 Re: Merc [anthonyp] by hpowders Nov 29, 2006 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 29, 2006 12:02 pm) Hey Tony. Try a test drive in a 335i sedan like Dewey got. The 3 and 5 are both highly rated in safety testing, by the way. I had a close call once with an inattentive cell phone driver in a king kong SUV. She was coming into my lane on the interstate-problem was I was already there. My 2002 325i's extraordinary agility allowed me to avoid contact with her. I don't think I would have been so lucky in a Lexus LS. PS- I always rent compacts at the airport-usually a blast to drive!
#21504 of 24700 Re: Regarding "The Test"... [dewey] by tagman Nov 29, 2006 (1:38 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 29, 2006 12:26 pm) I hate fixed menus where I am forced to eat things that I hate like a tofu salad. Forced to eat a tofu salad? Intolerable, unless located in Hollywood or Beverly Hills, where it would be normally expected. TagMan
#21505 of 24700 Re: Dewey [hpowders] by tagman Nov 29, 2006 (1:45 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 29, 2006 12:04 pm) BMW's are not and never will be about their interiors. You seem to be missing the BMW message. That's a bullseye. Definately for the 3 and 5 series. But, I still have the feeling that the upper series buyers expect a somewhat more luxurious interior. TagMan Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 29, 2006 1:59 pm) tagman (Nov 29, 2006 2:28 pm) hpowders (Nov 29, 2006 4:11 pm)
#21506 of 24700 KBB: BMW edged out in resale values by syswei Nov 29, 2006 (1:55 pm)
Sister brands Honda and Acura topped the latest list of vehicle brands with the best resale value -- an important measure for upscale car buyers -- edging out longtime leader BMW. Volkswagen, which moved up to No. 2, and BMW and its Mini brand, tied for third, also earned high marks in Kelley Blue Book's survey for the 2007 model year, as foreign brands took almost all the top honors. Ford Motor Co. brand Land Rover came in fourth, and Porsche AG rounded out the list of the top five brands. Toyota Motor Corp. brands replaced Porsche in the fifth spot when vehicles produced in low numbers were excluded. These 2006 models had the best resale value in their category: • Sedan: Acura TSX • Luxury: BMW 5 Series • Coupe: Honda Civic • Pickup: Toyota Tacoma • Convertible: MINI Cooper • Sport Utility: Acura MDX • Wagon: Volkswagen Passat • Van/Minivan: Honda Odyssey • Hatchback: MINI Cooper • Hybrid: Toyota Prius source WSJ
#21507 of 24700 Re: Dewey [tagman] by lexusguy Nov 29, 2006 (1:59 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 29, 2006 1:45 pm) That's a bullseye. Definately for the 3 and 5 series. Actually, I think the interior of the 3 is pretty good, and the X5 has one of the best interiors in the business. The 3 is better than the C-class, (especially the economy car pre-refresh C-class). The A4's interior is nice, but it looks very dated at this point. I think the 3 is at least on the same level as the IS350 and the new G, and better than the TL. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 29, 2006 2:28 pm)