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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Merc [drfill] by merc1
Nov 28, 2006 (9:18 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 28, 2006 7:22 am)

Didn't say the seats are the same now. This only proves my point. The seats were too hard, unappealing, and needed to be improved. Mercedes improved the seats, which makes the car better and more appealing.
 
Doc you never had a point to begin with. You brought up a seat in a car that was designed in the 80's. The only thing you've shown here is Mercedes' progress. A S-Class seat is supposed to be plush, now go sit in a CLK or any other lower level Benz and you'll see that most of (not all) of that firmness is still there. Mercedes' seats used to have their own "suspension" and they were part of the ride, but things change and that change was primarily brough on by cost. Again anyone who owned an older Mercedes will tell you this.
 
I didn't make any comment about idrive so you've misquoted me yet again. That was someone else.
 
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Re: Regarding "The Test"... [dewey] by merc1
Nov 28, 2006 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 28, 2006 8:11 am)

I am willing to wager that if a 62K$ SWB LS460 was used in the Jan. 07 C & D comparison test then the LS would have preserved its number one rank over the MB S Class, Audi A8, BMW 7 and Jaguar XJ.
  
Why? Because of price!

 
Bingo! Their will likely be another round of comparos when the S450 comes out and it will be against the LS460 (no L).
 
In this case of this comparo on this day, a 93K Lexus that doesn't have the driver skills that it should come with considering it carried a premium over the Audi and BMW couldn't cut it. A 10K price advantage isn't one at this level, now Lexus' usual 15-20K or more price advantage would have put it higher up in the rankings I think but still not the winner with the other issues they found which had nothing to do with it being a pre-production model.
 
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Re: Merc [hpowders] by merc1
Nov 28, 2006 (9:22 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 28, 2006 9:39 am)

I sank just as deeply in the S550's driver's seat as I did in the LS460's.
 
Well all behinds vary...lol! Neither seat is supposed to appeal to a "serious driver", but I did find that S550 seat was a tad bit better. Considering what mush the LS430's seats were anything in the LS460 would be an improvement.
 
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Re: Taste of Lexus [houdini1] by merc1
Nov 28, 2006 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 28, 2006 1:29 pm)

Many times when you drive a car for the first time there will be things that you are not used to. I have driven cars that had much more sensitive brakes than I was used to but in a short while they felt fine.
 
To be fair this is true. I found the brakes in my CLK to be grabby and hard to modulate at first, but now I'm a pro at it.
 
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Re: Doc [esf] by merc1
Nov 28, 2006 (9:25 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Nov 28, 2006 2:57 pm)

Are you even on AutoSpies? Like posting?
 
Heck no. I have never seen a bigger group of clueless people (on both sides of the aisle) in my life. I like to read it sometimes in order to appreciate Edmunds and Germancarzone, but thats about it. I'd never post there.
 
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Re: Tag/Merc [dewey] by merc1
Nov 28, 2006 (9:28 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 28, 2006 3:47 pm)

To tell you the truth I don't understand the point of the car, but there it is a slow V12 BMW. Pardon me while I walk out across the interstate.
 
Won't this thing explode if hit hard from the rear?
 
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Re: Merc [merc1] by hpowders
Nov 29, 2006 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 28, 2006 9:22 pm)

Well, I would eliminate both the the S-Class and LS460, based on the too soft driver's seats, but you are correct. These HELC's are designed more for pampering. Serious drivers need not apply.
 
 The A8 driver's seat was better than the S or LS-comfortable but firmer. If I was shopping for a HELC (instead of a 335i coupe), it would come down to the BMW 7 vs the Audi A8.
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Merc by drfill
Nov 29, 2006 (5:33 am)
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Had a point, made a point, and you confirmed it for me, so thank you on that.
 
   DrFill
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Dewey by drfill
Nov 29, 2006 (5:38 am)
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That is not a well kept secret. My weakness for anything manual is well-established.
 
   I would lay my life on the line for a 550i, but the cursed iDrive is standard, so I shall live quite a long time, I figure.
 
   I SHOULD be an avid BMW fan, but their interiors are atrocious. Couldn't see myself spending years inside those prisons.
 
   Someday, BMW will complete the circle. Someday.
 
   DrFill
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Re: Dewey [drfill] by tagman
Nov 29, 2006 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 29, 2006 5:38 am)

I SHOULD be an avid BMW fan, but their interiors are atrocious.
 
If you were REALLY a BMW fan, you'd be in a BMW and you would not be going "Woo, woo, woo "over a Lexus!
 
TagMan

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