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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#21405 of 24726 Re: merc [tagman]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:12 pm)
Yeah I saw all that, but I had no idea that a comparo had been done when I first started joining in the melee.
Of course I vote for the SL550!
I have to say I was really surprised by the placement of the LS460. The previous LS430 and LS400 have been winners at C&D for years so to have hugely superior LS460L place last was quite a shock to me. The thing is though the previous LS models never had to face the S500, only the S430 and then it was usually a few years after the S430 and previous S420 were already on the road. The only time the previous LS430 faced a S500 was in 2001 in a MT comparo and the S500 won then too. Both the Benz and the Lexus are brand new and I don't remember that being the case in any other comparo before. Things change, but I still want to see what MT and R&T say about this. Then there is Automobile magazine. You gotta love how now all of a sudden C&D is so biased, yet in the past they put the LS over everything and they were right on the money then.
The curious thing is that the 08' S450 is pegged at 5.9 secs 0-60 mph, right around what the LS460L does in real world testing and at a loaded price of 93K a S450 would likely be cheaper than a loaded LS460L. Change is something else.
#21407 of 24726 Re: Doc - Edit [louis427]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:15 pm)
I would just get her both. She can drive one during the week and the other on weekends. Then she will be looking good.
Nov 27, 2006 (4:16 pm)
WHich one will be better for my wife the MB S or BMW 7 Series. I want her to look good as well.
#21409 of 24726 That would be nice
Nov 27, 2006 (4:19 pm)
:DI really can't afford both. I want to get her something that could come close to the performance as my CLS55 AMG but not to close. But something when someone looks at it they be like that is nice as my MB.
#21410 of 24726 Re: Doc - Edit [houdini1]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:21 pm)
Could be that they found the S550 to have even better fit and finish than the already good LS460L? Yep. The LS460L scored better in those categories you mentioned, but you left out that the LS460L's brakes were awful, trunk space was lacking, and it was found to have a less comfortable rear seat. The S550 had better handling and superior NVH control when it came to the engine. You aren't looking at the whole review only the categories in which the Lexus did well at.
Lexus should be more careful about which features they decide to pick up from Mercedes. Mercedes has backed away from the electrohydraulic brakes just as Lexus starts adopt them in more of their cars - to bad reviews just like Mercedes got. Difference is though MB's version did stop the car in shorter distances in some tests with complaints about feel. Lexus' complaints seem to be about both feel and function.
#21411 of 24726 Re: Doc - Edit [lexusguy]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:23 pm)
They have changed. Both have more powerful powerplants and additional features not seen initially.
#21412 of 24726 Re: Tag [reality2]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:31 pm)
Audi actually won this comparo except that it was soundly beaten by the S in the...drum roll please... "Gotta have it" category. Can you believe that? If the S had still been behind they would have trotted out the "largest wheel well" category. Totally BOGUS.
#21413 of 24726 Re: Doc - Edit [merc1]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:37 pm)
I would not be surprised to find out the LS was a pre production model. I did not know the LWB was available yet. They said the LS was quieter even with a defective door sill. And that deal with the brakes has got to be an aberation.
Seems odd that the LWB would be tested first.
#21414 of 24726 Re: Doc - Edit [houdini1]
Nov 27, 2006 (4:46 pm)
OK, I read the report a little more closely and the LS that was tested was indeed a PREPRODUCTION CAR. This throws the whole test into a cocked hat!! Talk about unfair. I simply can't believe C&D would do a test like this and try to sneak it by with one tiny little mention that it was preproduction!!