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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Rest of the Auto Show [tagman] by merc1
Nov 22, 2006 (10:21 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 22, 2006 8:16 pm)

I saw this and was reminded of your push for the E-Class to be included on the old HELM board. A little history on the E-Class:
 

 
W120/W121 1953-1962. Also known as Ponton.

 
W110 "Heckflosse / Fintail", 1959-1968

 
W114/W115 "Strich-8" 1967-1976

 
W123, 1976-1985

 
W124, 1985-1995

My personal favorite E of all time so far, the car I saw so much growing up. It was also the "300E" from this model series that started my love affair with Mercedes-Benz. I plan to have one of these one day, either a 500E/E500 or a 300CE/E320 Coupe.
 
W210, 1995-2002

 
W211, 2002-2010?

 
Some special E-Classes through the years:
 
W124 500E / E500 with the R129 500SL V8, 326-hp
 

 
This car is likely the most exclusive sedan Mercedes has produced in the last 20 or so years. It had a Porsche engineered chassis, exclusive interior and the engine from the 500SL of the day, unheard of during that era. In 1994 it stickered for about 80K and a good example can go for 30K still today. Today, the E550 and SL550 sharing the same engine is no big deal.
 
582-hp W211 Brabus E-Class

 
W124 Stretchlimousine

 
The weakest gasoline engine in the W120/W121 had 72-hp. Now, the weakest gasoline E-Class has 163-horesepower (a Euro model of course).

 
M
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Re: Rest of the Auto Show [tagman] by hpowders
Nov 22, 2006 (11:55 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 22, 2006 8:16 pm)

"The LS seat was spongey."
 
I agree. I sank rather deeply upon sitting in it.
Same with the S Class driver's seat.
 
Just the opposite of what a good driver's seat is supposed to do. I want to feel comfortable, but firmly in place for the matter at hand.
 
I also found the LS 460 disappointingly boring in appearance.
I found the new ES350 quite a bit spicier.
 
Thanks for the write-up.
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Two new Thanksgiving Babies by dewey
Nov 23, 2006 (4:19 am)
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Two new lucky cars owners!
 
Congratulations Tagman and Lexusguy.
 
Tagman,
 
thanks for the informative car show report. I do agree 100% with you about the 3 series coupe vs. the 6 series/M6. Bigger is not neccessarily better in this case. An new M3 coupe will be very interesting too.
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Congratulations LG, and Tag by dhamilton
Nov 23, 2006 (5:29 am)
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on the new whips. That new Jag is drop me to my knees gorgeous.
 
Speaking of gorgeous, has anyone seen the new Bond movie? Very well done, without a lot of the corny/campy feel of the last 10 or so. All that to say, the new Aston DBR9 is to cars what mexican food is to me. A daily neccesity, or beauty in it's purest form. [I hope that got the point across]
 
Blkhemi, have you ever owned an Aston Martin?
 
Topspin, I can't get with you on the whole " you'd have a hard time telling the difference between the LS, and S if you drove them back to back blindfolded. To me their is a huge buttoned down feel in the Benz that is lacking in the S. The S feels more agile to me. I'm no Mercedes guy in general, but for that kind of money, the LS still doesn't drive right for me. [Although a very nice car in it's own right]
 
 Tag, congratulations on the Porsche. I don't know who I want to be adopted by more, you, or Blkhemi lol.
 
 I sure am thankful for this sight, and all the other car nuts like me, that make me feel a little more normal, for being so nutty about cars. But I'm even more thankful for my beautiful wife, as I can say with confidence that she is better looking than all of you......
 
 Happy thanksgiving Edmunds, and all who frequent..
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Re: Congratulations LG, and Tag [dhamilton] by topspin628
Nov 23, 2006 (6:16 am)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 23, 2006 5:29 am)

Topspin, I can't get with you on the whole " you'd have a hard time telling the difference between the LS, and S if you drove them back to back blindfolded. To me their is a huge buttoned down feel in the Benz that is lacking in the S. The S feels more agile to me. I'm no Mercedes guy in general, but for that kind of money, the LS still doesn't drive right for me. [Although a very nice car in it's own right]
 
I was very dissapointed in the softer seats (too soft) and the very artificial over boosted steering. I've owned benzes in the past (82 300D,86 E Class,01ML) and they all had very supportive and firm seats that you could drive in all day without a complaint and very direct steering that gave you a sense of complete control. Those are the 2 items that are missing from my LS and I was counting on seeing in true MB form in the new S Class. Hence my disappointment. I think they dialed it back to the comfort, soft formula a bit too much for my taste. I may be more of a BMW guy now.
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Re: Seems like our debate is worldwide [hpowders] by 2001gs430
Nov 23, 2006 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 22, 2006 1:36 pm)

But as far as I know, we haven't received any input on this topic from Japanese vehicle owners, have we?

 
Never had any break dust problem with my GS. My chrome wheels are always shiny like new.
48 degree can be very uncomfortable if your home is not built for cold weather, but it can be very pleasant to play golf or test driving cars though.
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Re: Rest of the Auto Show [tagman] by 2001gs430
Nov 23, 2006 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 22, 2006 8:16 pm)

Congrats on your new Targa. I bet you are counting the hours until Nov 28.
 
By the way, the LS's little brother/cousin, Camry took the Motor Trend's 2007 Car of the Year award. This includes the hybrid model. See article here link title
. I would not doubt the success of the new LS regular and hybrid. There is no TOL in Toronto, but my salesman promise to give me a test drive of the new LS once it becomes available here.
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Re: The new Jag [lexusguy] by 2001gs430
Nov 23, 2006 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 22, 2006 9:56 pm)

Congrats on you new toy.
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Re: Rest of the Auto Show [merc1] by houdini1
Nov 23, 2006 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 22, 2006 10:21 pm)

Call me crazy but I like the circa 1959 "Fintail". I have always been partial to more "upright" styles. Now if Mercedes would start with one of these, thoroughly update it, and give it a good diesel engine I just might be interested.
 
Lexusguy, congrats on the new ride. Enjoy.
 
Happy Thanksgiving all.
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Jaguar XK and E-Class by tagman
Nov 23, 2006 (7:33 am)
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Lexusguy - You already know that I love Jaguar XJ's and XK's. So to learn that you've picked up (you likely stole it. LOL) an almost new certified XK is terrific news. And a convertible! What a beauty. You MUST keep me posted on this car from time to time, as I'll be asking you anyway! Congrats, my friend.
 
Merc - Thanks for the E-Class evolutionary pics. I hope you haven't altered the space/time continuuum .
I guess you picked up my monster-in-disguise remark about the E63 at the show. To think that the current E buyer can choose between a BlueTec diesel or an E63 AMG shows what this one car is capable of. Even though the E is not a HELC vehicle, it sure deserves a lot of respect. Thanks, again. If that pic I posted last week is indeed the new E, then it will surely continue its great success story.
 
Thanks to the rest of you with regards to the Targa...but, until I take delivery next Tuesday, it's not "official". I'll post after the final "official" outcome.
 
That XK/R won't get out of my head. Uh oh.
 
BTW, I saw some of those weather posts . . . it will be sunny and 59 or 60 degrees here today. Lexusguy would probably have the top down!
 
Happy Thanksgiving again.
 
TagMan

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