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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
May 25, 2000 (8:21 pm)
I'm sure this sentiment has been aired before, but let me vent: the new S class has none of the panache or "Mercedes-ness" of the old. My lease is up on my 1996 S320 and I am FORCED to look at a new 740iL or Jag....But perhaps I will opt for a 98 or 99 S320 or 420 with low miles. The only problem is that so many other Merc owners who are disenchanted with the Mitsubishi-cum Toyota-cum Mazda styling of the new "S" are also on the prowl for the old body style. There is a now a shortage of "old" S's!! Who'd a thunk it?
Ah well, we'll have to wait a couple of years for headquarters to figure it out and bring back the Mercedes we all love to be intimidated by.
May 25, 2000 (11:18 pm)
My wife told me to tell you that you're her new friend. She ready dislike the new S too. I bought her a S320 a few years back. She went from their to the 740il and now drive the Jaguar Vanden Plas. So, I know a little about all these cars. The 740il is the best around luxury car made to me, but ours had a lot of electrical problems. The Jaguar Vanden Plas is something special. We call it our "Baby Rolls", and as far as reliability is concerned, we had more problem out of the 740il than we do with the Jag. No really many problems with the Jag at all to tell the true.
We look at the new S, and just can't do it. We are fairly young too, but the retro on the big Benz does quite work. It remind me more of the 740il. The old problem you have in my mind is that the BMW and Jag are both going to change styles in the new year or two.
Anyway, happy hunting.
#215 of 24726 skuldor
May 26, 2000 (5:47 am)
I can see this view point on the new S-Class. It is shapely and dazzling where as the old car was stodgy, upright and intimidating. I still want the old car too. I'm hoping that the S55 and S600 will add some of that old goodness to the S-Class line. For me a 1996 S420 (before the new 1997 wheels) would be perfect, or maybe a 1994 S500.
The new one just lost that imposing, larger than life aura of the old car, but the new S is gorgeous though!
#216 of 24726 kappaman
May 26, 2000 (5:57 am)
I have narrowed it down to the C320, 530i (will have to see what the facelift will look like) and the M3. The M3 will be a stretch because of insurance (for my age) and price. 45K is my limit, and the M3 is supposed to start at 45K. If my company's stock doesn't improve I'll be looking at a C240 or 328Ci.
May 26, 2000 (1:22 pm)
Talk to manager at a Benz dealership that I've know for years. He is talking about getting a C320 for himself.
Do you mean BMW 528i, and didn't they just get a facelift a couple of years ago?
If it is the 528i vs C320, that a hard choice actually. I think I would go with the C320 though. Newer design, more room than old C, and you save $10k
May 26, 2000 (11:20 pm)
I thought I was the only one who wasn't impressed with the design of the new Mercedes flagship.
I don't like the interior. LS400 laser light- show-cum Ford F150- cum Spaceship Mercedes.
The exterior is very modern. In this case I don't find that to be good.
May 26, 2000 (11:34 pm)
While I'm at it let me say I think the LS430 is ugly. Fake new S front combined with Toyota Avalon.
I think the problem is there is nothing original anymore. It seems probable that styling relates to material. When cars were metal design had to do with the characteristics of metal work. In this plastic world everything looks melted.
May 27, 2000 (3:18 pm)
Perrmit an older, wiser, and somewhat pragmatic auto critic to make an observation.
As I read this topic it occurred to me that there are two kinds of people who buy these kinds of cars.
Type 1. Those who seek status because they can afford to indulge.
Type 2.Those who seek status and really can't afford to, but somehow manage to find the wherewithal to create the impression.
I honestly believe that we hear most from the latter in this topic.
Sincerely hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes.
#221 of 24726 Snow handling?
May 28, 2000 (4:00 pm)
Any thoughts on the difference in snow handling between the A8 and the 740iL or S420 (all with stability control programs?) I want both a luxury and performance car for my 75 mile commute. Love the A8 but at $70k, it is missing a few of the luxury features I want. Also, Audi just put their stability program on, so am stuck buying a new A8 and paying the big bucks as I want this feature. Am considering looking at used '99 740iL or S420's (with stability option) instead. Certainly cheaper, but how much will handling be impacted -- it's really about AWD vs. rear wheel drive. I'd also do snow tires on the RWD.
#222 of 24726 the previous edition of BMW magazine
May 28, 2000 (4:45 pm)
Compared the A8(not L) to the 740il. Actually preferred it over teir own. They my have a web site in which the article is written.