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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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J.D. Power and Associates rated Jaguar as number one in Sales Satisfaction for a 3rd consecutive year. The Jaguar brand has earned the top quality award from the German motoring magazine Auto Zeitung's . The Jaguar XK was Recommended for the 2007 Award in the Premium Sporty/Performance Car category by Consumer Guide. The fact that a such a small company like Jaguar which happens to be owned by a financially trouble parent(Ford) is proof that any auto manufacture can be successful in achieving outstanding reliability and sales service success. Trying to build a car that can mimic the driving dynamics of a Porsche or BMW is another story altogether. Even the most financially well endowed companies in the world cannot mimic these two niche players.
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Replying to: oac (Nov 16, 2006 3:55 pm) A good Dad. A not so good Dad would have tried the old Ralph Kramden trick: "Heads I win. Tails you lose." 
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 16, 2006 8:59 pm) 
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Nov 16, 2006 4:10 pm) Not bad, not bad at all. But is it really that good?
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 17, 2006 4:40 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 16, 2006 10:22 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Nov 17, 2006 6:43 am) The devil in the details costs a lot of money to be engineered out BMW probably can't even afford the army of process and quality control engineers that Toyota has. As much as we like to make fun of the domestics, they are better placed in the market place to emulate the Toyota/Honda success on quality than the Germans because the domestics have the volume/cash flow (even if little of that cash flow translates into profit) You wanna analyze the devile in the details? Maybe you should look at BMW's PERFORMANCE ENGINEERING as opposed to Toyota's quality-control engineering. Poor little BMW quality-control engineers ain't good fuh nuttin'. They only put their money where their mouth is with a 4-year warranty with free maintenance and great lease deals, the latter of which has everyone perplexed. Throwing up $14 bil vs $160 bil isn't what I call facts and figures. It is only being used speciously. Get into the "devil in the details" rather than making generalizations with facts and figures. More Toyota worship and sanctimony.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 16, 2006 10:22 pm) With BMW's mere 14 billion, they have managed to engineer some of the best handling cars in the business. Yet, Toyota has that massive warchest and leaves one wondering just how much money could Toyota possibly need to improve the performance of some of its vehicles, and why then does the performance of Toyota/Lexus vehicles not even come close to that of a BMW, even when appropriate such as with the Lexus IS. I'd have to say that when it comes to vehicle performance, BMW is much more capable with its money . . . especially considering the massive monetary difference between the two companies that you highlighted. TagMan |
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