High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21073 of 24700 Small is Beautiful by dewey Nov 16, 2006 (3:06 pm)
Tagman and Howard, Among almost every manufacturer of HELCs small is not beautiful. Less is not more. A small Jag (X), a small Lexus (IS), a small Cadillac (CTS), and a small Benz (C Class) just does not cut it IMO. While a large BMW in the form of a 7 series does not seem to be as representative of its marque as the S Class is to the Benz marque. I love my 335i far more than the 530xi touring that my wife now drives on a full-time basis. In the case of Bimmers small is beautiful. Less is more. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 16, 2006 3:12 pm) dewey (Nov 16, 2006 3:17 pm) hpowders (Nov 16, 2006 5:34 pm) cdnpinhead (Nov 16, 2006 4:10 pm) dewey (Nov 17, 2006 4:40 am) pat (Nov 17, 2006 5:02 am) hpowders (Nov 16, 2006 5:32 pm)
#21074 of 24700 Re: Small is Beautiful [dewey] by tagman Nov 16, 2006 (3:12 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 16, 2006 3:06 pm) Among almost every manufacturer of HELCs small is not beautiful...In the case of Bimmers small is beautiful. AND, IMO . . . In the case of Porsches . . . small is beautiful. TagMan Replies to this message: dewey (Nov 16, 2006 3:17 pm) hpowders (Nov 16, 2006 5:34 pm)
#21075 of 24700 Re: Future Mercedes [merc1] by dewey Nov 16, 2006 (3:16 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:25 pm) As I recall, he'll be eating the brochure shortly after its release. merc - will that be with Ketchup, Mustard, or Bar-B-Que sauce? LOL....maybe I'll make a pizza out of it with the Ketchup. Well at least our E Class vs. 5 Series sales bet was a gentlemen's bet. Put a lot of Pepperoni on it and it shouldn't taste that bad.
#21076 of 24700 Re: Small is Beautiful [tagman] by dewey Nov 16, 2006 (3:17 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 16, 2006 3:12 pm) AND, IMO . . . In the case of Porsches . . . small is beautiful. Absolutely! A large barge-like Porsche Panamera is not my cup of tea. Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 16, 2006 5:34 pm)
#21077 of 24700 Re: Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] [thegraduate] [merc1] by maxhonda99 Nov 16, 2006 (3:42 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:16 pm) " On the flip side most car companies are trying to match Toyota in reliability. BMW has the money and smarts to do it if they're serious about it." boy, if only money & smarts could get you class leading reliability, BMW would have had more reliable cars years ago(just so it's not taken out of context, I'm not saying BMWs are unreliable) not to mention a whole lot of other makers would have had equally reliable cars. for example benz, ford, GM. But quite frankly, making reliable cars is not as easy as saying "we got the money & the smarts". hey, Benz can't make cars that handle and feel like a BMW, Audi can't and nor can Lexus. At the same time, BMW, Benz, or Audi can't make a reliable car to the degree that Toyota can either. Most carmakers have certain strengths, BMW has driving dynamics, Audi has AWD, Lexus has quality, and then you got some that have only intangibles to fall back on like a benz or Jaguar. If reliability were soo easy to emulate as you think it is, MBs reliability wouldn't have fallen off the wagon like it did thru most of the 90's and the first 5 years of this millenium, and Lexus wouldn't be the most reliable car 17 years running. And if BMW could do it all, wouldn't it already be "done" by them?
#21078 of 24700 Re: One Happy Family you all are with the HELM [designman] by oac Nov 16, 2006 (3:55 pm)
Replying to: designman (Nov 16, 2006 7:25 am) Hi Oac! What's your story these days? Are you getting an LS460 or what? I think you said you would wait awhile. I see it's been slow over in Lexico. By the way, there's a Chinese restaurant near us that makes a dish called Happy Family. Hi Designman/Howard: The story is real simple. My 14-yo daughter hates my LS, but likes the 'Trix. She is the one next in line to start driving by 2008. So we figured why not wait till when she gets her license (in 18 months), we'll then get rid of the LS, and flip a coin for its replacement - heads she gets the 'Trix and I get a new car, OR Tails she gets a new car and I keep the 'Trix. My wife and my daughter are all for this "deal", so with reluctance I had to kill the LS460 deal I had on the table. Still interested in giving BMW a try for my money... who knows what'll happen in 18 months !!! but... but... but... I am supposed to be lurking.... so back to my rocking chair. Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 16, 2006 5:54 pm) blckislandguy (Nov 16, 2006 7:02 pm) hpowders (Nov 16, 2006 8:22 pm) and 2 more... lexusguy (Nov 17, 2006 12:47 am) and 1 more... hpowders (Nov 17, 2006 4:24 am)
#21079 of 24700 Re: Small is Beautiful [dewey] by cdnpinhead Nov 16, 2006 (4:10 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 16, 2006 3:06 pm) So, how bad is the C-230, really? I have a number of misgivings about ever buying a Mercedes, but if I demand a manual transmission, that's my (one) choice for that ~~marque~~, excuse me, car. BMW is at the top of my short list, but I have this one Merc on there as well. Replies to this message: dewey (Nov 17, 2006 4:40 am) pat (Nov 17, 2006 5:02 am)
#21081 of 24700 Autobild by syswei Nov 16, 2006 (5:26 pm)
Apparently had a comparo of the LS460 vs S550/500. Can't find the article but the cover is here. Those who track the german boards....does anyone know what it said?
#21082 of 24700 Re: Small is Beautiful [dewey] by hpowders Nov 16, 2006 (5:32 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 16, 2006 3:06 pm) I have always been a compact car guy even though I'm 6'2". The 545 is a great vehicle but I can run rings around it with a 325i. (Not talking about acceleration). Compact cars are simply more agile than mid-sized vehicles. Can't dispute those laws of physics. I can see myself comfortably down-sizing next time around. No more 5 Series unless BMW comes out with a diesel in 2008 which achieves raves.