High End Luxury Cars

24695 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21046 of 24695 Tag by drfill Nov 15, 2006 (8:11 pm)
While the current E-Class doesn't quite make the grade for this forum, the NEXT generation might surprise all of us. Quick peak here: 2009 E-Class? Appreciate that! Looks pretty sweet to me! Hope it makes it there. Never been very impressed with Mercedes' sedans style. Looks like a step in the right direction. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 8:29 pm)
#21047 of 24695 Re: Tag [drfill] by tagman Nov 15, 2006 (8:29 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Nov 15, 2006 8:11 pm) Appreciate that! Looks pretty sweet to me! Hope it makes it there. Never been very impressed with Mercedes' sedans style. Looks like a step in the right direction. Huge leap forward, IMO. Thus the reason I placed the link. Glad you liked it, too! TagMan
#21048 of 24695 Re: Insulting, very insulting! [dewey] by tagman Nov 15, 2006 (8:42 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 15, 2006 7:21 pm) The USAToday writer equates an enthusiast with a poseur or with someone with an inferiority complex that wants to flaunt what he does not have. I find such a view insulting for all car enthusiasts. Well . . . it is obvious that the author has identified the situation, but has failed to truly understand the nature of it . . . which has nothing to do with genuine enthusiasts. Phonies, wannabees, pretenders, and counterfeiters are generally not enthusiasts, for goodness sakes. TagMan
#21049 of 24695 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [houdini1] by merc1 Nov 15, 2006 (9:10 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:57 pm) Well, as long as they keep chasing each other it is good for us, right? True, very true. Something we can definitely agree on. M
#21050 of 24695 Re: Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] [thegraduate] [syswei] by merc1 Nov 15, 2006 (9:13 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Nov 15, 2006 2:14 pm) Hey, don't worry, no one was saying that MB's Alabama plant had issues because of the Alabama workforce. Nope, I never bought that either. There are (as thegraduate pointed out) other plants in AL and all across the U.S. the turn out better quality vehicles. The only other plant the comes to mind from a foreign make is Nissan's plant in MS. It has been very troubleseome for them. M
#21051 of 24695 Re: Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] [thegraduate] by merc1 Nov 15, 2006 (9:16 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:04 pm) If they are working towards each other (Lexus getting more sporty, BMW getting more reliable - neither of which I know of as true), then surely the car market can satisfy most people! Well they are definitely trying to cross each other on those goals, somewhat. Lexus will only go so far with their quest to take on BMW. Infiniti has them beat by a country mile in that respect, but they'll still try to capture some of the BMW market. The IS350's suspension calibration and the lack of a manual tell you how far they're going to go. On the flip side most car companies are trying to match Toyota in reliability. BMW has the money and smarts to do it if they're serious about it. M Replies to this message: maxhonda99 (Nov 16, 2006 3:42 pm) brightness04 (Nov 16, 2006 10:22 pm) 2001gs430 (Nov 17, 2006 6:43 am) designman (Nov 17, 2006 7:11 am) and 33 more... brightness04 (Nov 17, 2006 7:28 am) tagman (Nov 17, 2006 7:14 am) houdini1 (Nov 17, 2006 1:16 pm) brightness04 (Nov 17, 2006 3:30 pm)
#21052 of 24695 Re: To be fair [blkhemi] by merc1 Nov 15, 2006 (9:20 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Nov 15, 2006 4:04 pm) But the quality woes that plagued MB at the turn of the century seem to have faded away, particularly on all of the new product. Uhh...not quite IMO. On the S-Class I'll stick my neck out and say yes. Also the more serious things that went wrong with the E-Class (Nav, SBC brakes) have been resolved so we'll have to see how the 07' E and S models do. This will be crucial in determining whether or not MB has truly turned the corner. The ML and R being from a different plant and thrown together in a different situation than German Benzes don't inspire any belief in MB having fixed their problems with that plant and those models. M
#21053 of 24695 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [tagman] by merc1 Nov 15, 2006 (9:23 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 7:41 pm) Not sure how I missed this post. Sorry to hear about your injury. Question though, a 911 has a soft enough ride for you? The SL and XK are much more comfortable as far as ride quality is concerned. A 911 is still a sports car, you're cheating...lol!! M Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 9:32 pm) merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:56 pm) houdini1 (Nov 16, 2006 6:57 am)
#21054 of 24695 Re: Future Mercedes [tagman] by merc1 Nov 15, 2006 (9:25 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 7:15 pm) The next E won't look like that. Edit: that isn't too bad but I'd have to see the front end. There will be no S-Class convertible. Maybe a CL convertible or a Maybach 4-door convertible, but a S550 droptop..never! As I recall, he'll be eating the brochure shortly after its release. merc - will that be with Ketchup, Mustard, or Bar-B-Que sauce? LOL....maybe I'll make a pizza out of it with the Ketchup. M Replies to this message: brightness04 (Nov 16, 2006 2:04 am) dewey (Nov 16, 2006 3:16 pm)
#21055 of 24695 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [merc1] by tagman Nov 15, 2006 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:23 pm) 911 has a soft enough ride for you? Compared to the Lotus, a skateboard is a soft ride. Seriously, as I recall it should be OK. But, I'll absolutely test carefully before final dollars exchange hands. The GT3, however, would be totally out of the question. The SL and XK are much more comfortable as far as ride quality is concerned. A 911 is still a sports car, you're cheating...lol!! OH yeah! I'm grabbing every last fiber I can at this point. But, you are so right about the beautiful SL and XK. I love them both, but I don't want two vehicles of the same brand in the garage, so the XK is out for now. If the 911 is too harsh, the SL is indeed the backup, as you said. TagMan Replies to this message: merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:56 pm) houdini1 (Nov 16, 2006 6:57 am)