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You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Reliability and Fun; mutually exclusive?[tagman] [thegraduate] [tagman] [thegraduate] by tagman
Nov 15, 2006 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 3:24 pm)

we don't really shop in the realm of cars in this thread
 
But, you can post here and share your opinions, views, and knowledge about these HELCs anytime you want, even if you don't own any car at all. BTW, I've always had a soft spot for Hondas! At 6'4", access may be limited.
 
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To be fair by blkhemi
Nov 15, 2006 (4:04 pm)
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The GL is still in it's early stages.
 
True, it's platformate ML has suffered some minor woes, but this doesn't seem to be inherit of the R-Class, altho there are far to few to tell.
 
IMHO, I think that GL will do just fine. Judging from people that have had them since the spring, they appear very pleased with it.
 
This is not to say it will be without problems, particularly a first year model for any make.
 
But the quality woes that plagued MB at the turn of the century seem to have faded away, particularly on all of the new product.
 
There are people with 10-20k miles on new S-Classes that are reporting 0 probs after 10 months of use. This time in 2000, MB was backlogged with S430's and S500's that had Airmatic and COMAND problems.
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Tagman by blkhemi
Nov 15, 2006 (4:11 pm)
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I see you're going al fresca with the Targa? Nice choice. Selling the Lotus?
 
I would love to have a new 911 Turbo Cab but (1) I value my marriage too much to buy another car for this year, and (2) There is no room anyway.
 
I hear Porsche opened and closed a Targa top on a new 997 1 million times without the roof failing. Now that's engineering for ya!
 
The same with the convertibles. The run them through a torture test before leaving the factory. And if it leaks, it doesn't leave, unlike many carmakers.
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Re: Tagman [blkhemi] by tagman
Nov 15, 2006 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Nov 15, 2006 4:11 pm)

I see you're going al fresca with the Targa? Nice choice. Selling the Lotus?
 
Yes, the Lotus will be history, but I don't regret the short time with it. It will have been a genuine kick. If everything goes as expected, I'll be in the Porsche sometime next week.
 
I hear Porsche opened and closed a Targa top on a new 997 1 million times without the roof failing.
 
Who gets THAT car?
 
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Re: Tagman [tagman] by syswei
Nov 15, 2006 (4:42 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 4:23 pm)

If I recall, you only had the Lotus for a matter of months? What led to the change of heart?
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Re: Tagman [syswei] by tagman
Nov 15, 2006 (5:17 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 15, 2006 4:42 pm)

If I recall, you only had the Lotus for a matter of months? What led to the change of heart?
 
No change of heart at all. My post 20991 explains.
 
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Re: Tagman [tagman] by syswei
Nov 15, 2006 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 5:17 pm)

Hope nothing happens to worsen your injury, because, heaven forbid, you might end up in a Lexus!
 
Congrats on the Porsche.
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Re: Tagman [tagman] by pat HOST
Nov 15, 2006 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 5:17 pm)

Didn't you say that getting in and out of the Lotus was pretty much a challenge? That didn't cause your injury, did it? I'm very sorry to hear about that.
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Re: Tagman [tagman] by blkhemi
Nov 15, 2006 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 4:23 pm)

"Who gets THAT car?"
 
Hopefully it stayed in Germany with all of the other test mules, like the Cayman S that circled "the Ring" for 6 months without a break, or breaking for that matter.
 
And that is how Porsche will remain the primal threat to all in it's class for some time to come. May also be the reason that the cars are so reliable, tops in German brands hands down. However, when the time does arouse for maintenance, it will bury you alive if the preventive hasn't been completed, like the mandatory 15k mile interval that "deep cleans" the engine and fuel systems.
 
One thing that I've come to learn about the 911's are that the tires don't last no more than 20k miles, no matter the brand or how you drive the car to get to that 20k miles.
 
But to be fair, I've replaced my Z06's tires all around 25k miles, so it's to be expected, but oddly, the rears on the 911's go before the fronts do, no doubt related to the rear mounted engine.
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On the subject of Porsche by designman
Nov 15, 2006 (6:07 pm)
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Porsche AG said it has increased its stake in Volkswagen AG to 27.4 pct from 21.2 pct as it unveils a full year to end-July 2006 pretax profit of 2.110 bln eur, up from 1.238 bln, a boost fuelled by strong vehicle sales as well as one-off gains.
 
The spokesman said if the shareholding were to reach 30 pct, German laws require a company to make a mandatory offer to acquire the rest of the other firm, something which he said Porsche does not want to do right now in the case of Volkswagen.
 
The company's statement said the supervisory board has authorized the management board to increase the shares in Volkswagen up to a maximum of 29.9 pct.
 
Porsche's net income as a proportion of sales is the highest in the industry at 19 percent. That compares with 7.5 percent at Toyota Motor Corp., the world's second-biggest carmaker, for the year ended March 31, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

 
Forbes
 
Bloomberg
 
The markets reacted negatively to the additional VW investment. Heh, heh... we take the "risk" of buying German cars and they up the risk ante on VW. I like their style.
 

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