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You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [merc1] by houdini1
Nov 15, 2006 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:39 pm)

Well, as long as they keep chasing each other it is good for us, right? It is absolutely scary just how good most of these cars have become in the last few years. Just change the oil on a regular basis and drive the things a couple of hundred thousand miles. What in the world would someone who had never known anything but a Model T think if they sat in and drove one of these luxury cars that we all take for granted?
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Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [dewey] by tagman
Nov 15, 2006 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 15, 2006 12:54 pm)

Your obsession with reliability will deprive you of wonderful driving experiences.
 
Words of wisdom. I agree.
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Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] by thegraduate
Nov 15, 2006 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:39 pm)

Lexus will edge closer and closer and BMW will keep moving the sport bar higher and higher. Likewise don't be surprised if one day if BMWs start to top the reliability surveys.
 
If they are working towards each other (Lexus getting more sporty, BMW getting more reliable - neither of which I know of as true), then surely the car market can satisfy most people!
 
On a different topic:
 
I live in AL, and am dissappointed at the quality (or lack thereof) of vehicles coming from the Mercedes' coming from the Vance plant. On the contrary, the Honda plant in Talledega is on its fifth year of producing reliable products (Pilot, Odyssey). It had its 5th anniversary Monday if I remember correctly.
 
Either way, Alabamians are happy about the vehicle assembly plants coming our way (we also have Hyundai building Sonatas and Santa Fes near Montgomery, supposedly some of the best quality vehicles Hyundai has produced, ever).
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Reliability and Fun; mutually exclusive?[tagman] by thegraduate
Nov 15, 2006 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 12:58 pm)

Your obsession with reliability will deprive you of wonderful driving experiences.
  
Words of wisdom. I agree.

 
My father once left his practical side to get a "fun" car; a convertible that from a car company not known for being reliable. It was a fun car for the 5 months he drove it (he owned it 8 months, but spent the better part of 3 months in the shop). He went back to finding a more reliable "fun" car after that.
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Re: Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] [thegraduate] by syswei
Nov 15, 2006 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:04 pm)

Hey, don't worry, no one was saying that MB's Alabama plant had issues because of the Alabama workforce.
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Re: Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] [thegraduat by pat HOST
Nov 15, 2006 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:04 pm)

Welcome, grad!
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Re: Ala Merc plant dissappointing, but not state's fault[merc1] [thegraduate] [syswei] by thegraduate
Nov 15, 2006 (2:56 pm)
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 15, 2006 2:14 pm)

Oh, I know it, but it's actually what I was thinking in my head. It looks bad for us! Nobody was being derogatory towards Alabama, (though they have been on another board).
 
I don't drive a luxury car, but I enjoy reading this board and may start posting every now and then. Thanks for the welcome!
 
I frequent the Honda boards, so come say hi on my end of the site some time!
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Re: Reliability and Fun; mutually exclusive?[tagman] [thegraduate] by tagman
Nov 15, 2006 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:08 pm)

My father once left his practical side to get a "fun" car; a convertible that from a car company not known for being reliable. It was a fun car for the 5 months he drove it (he owned it 8 months, but spent the better part of 3 months in the shop). He went back to finding a more reliable "fun" car after that.
 
Welcome to the board!
 
I don't think dewey's original post, as re-posted below:
 
Your obsession with reliability will deprive you of wonderful driving experiences.
 
was ever meant to suggest that we should completely trash the idea of reliability. As I understood it, and he and I and others have shared this opinion here on this forum . . . is that it is better to be balanced about our views of reliability.
 
It is of questionable value to be obsessed with reliability, as the consequences are obvious . . . dramatically reduced fun experiences and less choices that could otherwise broaden our horizons.
 
On the other hand, as your dad learned and taught you very well I imagine, there can be consequences to completely ignoring the genuine virtues of reliability.
 
The key is balance and moderation, IMO. But ultimately, people are wired differently, and our needs and tolerances can be dramatically different. There is no right or wrong here. But I do believe that there is something to be said for not being too obsessive at either end of the spectrum.
 
I look forward to more of your posts, and I appreciated your perspective on the assembly plants by different manufacturers. It clarifies that the good folks from Alabama (and elsewhere) are well-qualified to build reliable vehicles, if just given well-engineered parts, the right tools, a good working environment, and quality-focused procedures.
 
BTW, what was the first unreliable fun car that your dad purchased? And then the second more reliable fun car? Just curious, of course.
 
TagMan
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Re: Reliability and Fun; mutually exclusive?[tagman] [thegraduate] [tagman] by thegraduate
Nov 15, 2006 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 2:59 pm)

BTW, what was the first unreliable fun car that your dad purchased? And then the second more reliable fun car? Just curious, of course.
 
The unreliable fun car was a 1997 Chrysler Sebring Convertible (beautiful car though). He replaced it with a Civic Si.
 
Now, we have three Accords in our house! (Practical to the extreme, right?) One of them is my old H.S. car, a 1996. My new one is a 2006 sedan EX(I wanted a Civic Si myself, but I'm 6'4"!). His daily driver is a 2005 Accord EX sedan now.
 
(we aren't in the wealthy realm, comfortably in the middle class, so we don't really shop in the realm of cars in this thread).
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Re: Reliability and Fun; mutually exclusive?[tagman] [thegraduate] [tagman] [thegraduate] by tagman
Nov 15, 2006 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 3:24 pm)

we don't really shop in the realm of cars in this thread
 
But, you can post here and share your opinions, views, and knowledge about these HELCs anytime you want, even if you don't own any car at all. BTW, I've always had a soft spot for Hondas! At 6'4", access may be limited.
 
TagMan

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