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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 14, 2006 6:26 pm) Both articles that were linked here recently were terrific. The first one I linked was about BMW, and the second one Dewey linked was about Mercedes. What's your beef, anyway? TagMan |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 9:00 pm) I mentioned it because if you're stuck with an autobox, the Jag's is one of the best. I tried a Porsche Carrera S with the tip, really wasn't impressed by it. The Maserati coupe and spyder are also due for a refresh next year, and their SMGs don't need a clutch as well. |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 8:10 pm) Maybe it was related to this? Link |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 3:18 pm) That's from a post you made in July, tagman. (And P.S., dewey, while not an "exploding Pinto", qualtiy issues seemed dangerous to that MB owner.) It is because of the "possible few exceptions" to the generally adequate reliability of modern cars that I wouldn't, as I said earlier, buy a first-year MB. And in the case of the ML, GL, and R, I might well not even consider a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year either! That being said, JDP puts initially quality of the 2007 S-class at "about average" (in their words), so that one is still a possibility.
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 14, 2006 9:32 pm) Remember, the Japanese studied U.S automaker operations a few years ago and we all know what that led to. Sound familiar? A lot of people who laughed at them then are laughing out of the other side of their mouth today. Just don't be surprised in a couple of years when you see a better BMW coming out of Japan.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 15, 2006 6:14 am) I welcome it. However you won't see it because Germany has roads that you can legally do 150 mph on and they make their cars accordingly. A car that can do that kind of speed also has desirable qualities at 65 mph that most Japanese cars don't have. Reliability is a separate issue. This is what you many of you Japanese car fans don't get. Having said that, there isn't a German-car fan who wouldn't welcome the reliability of a Lexus, but they are unwilling to make that tradeoff and, as these fans have suggested, the reliability concern just isn't that significant. By the way, I don't care what the quote says. You ALSO have to learn from your own mistakes because you ARE going to make them. Lexus makes mistakes, especially in their product design. And when I say "design" I'm not just talking about styling. |
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 15, 2006 4:20 am) Yes, I remember the day my friend told me about those unfortunate and relentless issues that plagued his Mercedes Benz vehicles. We were in the Napa Valley Wine country that beautiful day. So, I understand your perspective here, but, in some fairness, the GL will have had an extended '07 model year, and the '08 is likely to come with the diesel. The diesel (as used in the E) will have had a year to prove itself in 45 states (w/o the urea tank...no big deal) and the GL itself (gas version) will have proven itself one way or another. Perhaps the jury is still out on the GL? (Afterall, it is MT SUV Of The Year, if that means anything.) The risk levels may likely be related to which of the assembly plants the vehicle model was manufactured in. Most importantly from my point of view is that ALL cars can have lemons, and exceptions to the norm. We all take those risks when we purchase our vehicles. Regardless of where a certain vehicle might rate with regards to reliability, I don't think that "lemon-type" circumstances are representative of anything that resembles the typical experiences the vast majority of people have with their cars. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 9:34 am) |
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 15, 2006 9:41 am) Not really. The "main 7-passenger SUV" in my garage must always be a reliable vehicle. This is because the wife and kids, and sometimes the entire family depend upon this single vehicle way too much to take the usual chances we are willing to take with the rest of our vehicles. As you know, the ONLY Lexus we ever considered was an SUV, but the third-row flip-flop seats were too clumsy for my wife, so it didn't happen. If the GL ends up with very poor reliability data, this would be the one and only vehicle that I would then say "pass", due to the unacceptable risk level. TagMan
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