High End Luxury Cars

24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21001 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [tagman] by lexusguy Nov 14, 2006 (8:14 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 7:41 pm) Otherwise, I might have selected a Mercedes SL550, and while very nice, I think the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Targa is the right move for me at this time. Curious, did you consider the XK8? Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 9:00 pm) lexusguy (Nov 15, 2006 1:51 am)
#21002 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [lexusguy] by tagman Nov 14, 2006 (9:00 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 14, 2006 8:14 pm) Curious, did you consider the XK8? Love the XK, as I have posted, but we really don't need yet another Jag in the family. The new Audi R8 would have been cool, but it is a long way from a reality, so I am hoping (praying would be more accurate) that this Targa will be a great car. TagMan Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 15, 2006 1:51 am)
#21003 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [houdini1] by merc1 Nov 14, 2006 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 14, 2006 6:26 pm) Just can't accept the fact that Toyota might possibly need or want to learn something from a rival carmaker? Now if the BW article had stated the opposite it would be touted as being oh-so correct and the absolute truth. M Replies to this message: houdini1 (Nov 15, 2006 6:14 am) designman (Nov 15, 2006 7:05 am) merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:39 pm) houdini1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:57 pm) and 1 more... thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:04 pm) and 52 more...
#21004 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [houdini1] by tagman Nov 14, 2006 (9:45 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 14, 2006 6:26 pm) BusinessWeek is one of the most respected magazines in the business . . . and rightly so, IMO. I'm a subscriber. Both articles that were linked here recently were terrific. The first one I linked was about BMW, and the second one Dewey linked was about Mercedes. What's your beef, anyway? TagMan
#21005 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [tagman] by lexusguy Nov 15, 2006 (1:51 am)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 9:00 pm) Love the XK, as I have posted, but we really don't need yet another Jag in the family. I mentioned it because if you're stuck with an autobox, the Jag's is one of the best. I tried a Porsche Carrera S with the tip, really wasn't impressed by it. The Maserati coupe and spyder are also due for a refresh next year, and their SMGs don't need a clutch as well.
#21006 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [dewey] by designman Nov 15, 2006 (4:04 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 8:10 pm) I could have sworn I read somewhere that Magna Steyr won a contract from Porsche to assemble both Cayman and Boxster vehicles. Maybe it was related to this? Link
#21007 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [tagman] by syswei Nov 15, 2006 (4:20 am)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 3:18 pm) He had owned the M-class suv and the small C-class with the V-6. Apparently, the C-class had 32 visits to the shop in about a year and a half. As he described the situation, just about everything imaginable had gone wrong with his cars . . . some of the situations being dangerous, with regards to the brake failure in the M and electrical meltdown in the C. He said the sunroof dislodged itself somehow in the M, and he was kindly describing all the horrible stuff that he and his wife had endured. That's from a post you made in July, tagman. (And P.S., dewey, while not an "exploding Pinto", qualtiy issues seemed dangerous to that MB owner.) It is because of the "possible few exceptions" to the generally adequate reliability of modern cars that I wouldn't, as I said earlier, buy a first-year MB. And in the case of the ML, GL, and R, I might well not even consider a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year either! That being said, JDP puts initially quality of the 2007 S-class at "about average" (in their words), so that one is still a possibility. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 15, 2006 9:34 am) syswei (Nov 15, 2006 9:41 am) tagman (Nov 15, 2006 9:54 am) and 3 more... dewey (Nov 15, 2006 12:54 pm) tagman (Nov 15, 2006 12:58 pm) thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:08 pm) and 11 more... brightness04 (Nov 16, 2006 2:00 am)
#21009 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [merc1] by houdini1 Nov 15, 2006 (6:14 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Nov 14, 2006 9:32 pm) On the contrary, I am just trying to point out (as did Brightness) that learning from the mistakes of others is smart business and should be applauded, not criticized. Remember, the Japanese studied U.S automaker operations a few years ago and we all know what that led to. Sound familiar? A lot of people who laughed at them then are laughing out of the other side of their mouth today. Just don't be surprised in a couple of years when you see a better BMW coming out of Japan. Replies to this message: designman (Nov 15, 2006 7:05 am) merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:39 pm) houdini1 (Nov 15, 2006 12:57 pm) merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:10 pm) thegraduate (Nov 15, 2006 2:04 pm) syswei (Nov 15, 2006 2:14 pm) and 2 more... pat (Nov 15, 2006 2:24 pm) merc1 (Nov 15, 2006 9:16 pm) and 47 more...
#21010 of 24699 Re: Quality is Job One Again for MB [houdini1] by designman Nov 15, 2006 (7:05 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 15, 2006 6:14 am) Just don't be surprised in a couple of years when you see a better BMW coming out of Japan. I welcome it. However you won't see it because Germany has roads that you can legally do 150 mph on and they make their cars accordingly. A car that can do that kind of speed also has desirable qualities at 65 mph that most Japanese cars don't have. Reliability is a separate issue. This is what you many of you Japanese car fans don't get. Having said that, there isn't a German-car fan who wouldn't welcome the reliability of a Lexus, but they are unwilling to make that tradeoff and, as these fans have suggested, the reliability concern just isn't that significant. By the way, I don't care what the quote says. You ALSO have to learn from your own mistakes because you ARE going to make them. Lexus makes mistakes, especially in their product design. And when I say "design" I'm not just talking about styling.