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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 3:28 pm) Until their customers become more discerning regarding reliability issues the customers will just have to settle for "almost as good". Reliability usually means that the cars are just made better...closer tolerances, better materials, more modern mfg. plants etc., etc., etc.
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 3:42 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 14, 2006 4:33 pm) Nope not at all. Just the opposite. In fact Toyota employees visit BMW factories to learn how well BMWs are manufactured(please refer to that BMW article from Businessweek that Tagman had posted about a month ago).
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 3:28 pm) This is not the 1970s of exploding Pintos. True, but do you recall a story on Edmunds from a fellow who went through a carwash and had both of his bumpers fall off because of the action of the brushes? Not life and death in that particular situation. But not a car I'd choose to buy. I would indeed buy a car with average reliability if I found its other attributes to be sufficiently more desirable over a more reliable competitor. Might even find myself in that position next year, if I view the Q7 as offering average reliability at that time, for example. Another way I think about this issue is that there are certain brands, such as MB, where I can't see myself buying a first-year model unless it offers something truly compelling. I just don't trust the brand that much. With Lexus on the other hand, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a first-year model if I liked the vehicle only moderately more than the competition. |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 5:04 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 5:00 pm) Yes, interesting . . . BTW, almost three times . . . #3 is a few more days away, as Porsche will not release the Targa vehicles until the "official launch date", which is tentatively this weekend, at least from what I am told. I guess I should explain all this anyway, as sooner or later the question will come up. The reason I am expecting to purchase this vehicle is that recently I injured myself and according to doctor's orders I should not drive a car with a rough ride or even a manual transmission for quite a while, and perhaps forever. That means goodbye to my brand new Lotus. After getting over the depression and sadness, I have determined that the only car that I would be interested in that could still be a lot of fun and still meet the doctor's requirements would be the Targa with a Tiptronic. If, after a number of years, and physical therapy, I am allowed to shift again, then I will see what is on the market at that time. So . . . I didn't know if I would mention this on the forum, but in the event that I start talking about the car, at least everyone will know why I purchased a Tiptronic. Every sports car I have ever owned, without any exception, has always had a manual transmission. This will be new territory for me. It is a mixed blessing, as I am sad that it is a Tiptronic, yet I am grateful that there is such a thing for me at this time. Otherwise, I might have selected a Mercedes SL550, and while very nice, I think the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Targa is the right move for me at this time. That's the real story guys . . . just thought I'd let you all in on it. Lesson is . . . anything and everything can change or be gone in a flash . . . don't take anything or, more importantly, anyone for granted. TagMan |
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Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 13, 2006 3:10 pm) IMO an X5 without the sport and dynamic handling options is an X5 not worth buying . With these two options the X5 will have the driving dynamics that is as close to a performance car as an SUV can be. |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 7:41 pm) |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 5:00 pm) The Boxster and Cayman are assembled by Valmet in Uusikaupunki, Finland.
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