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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: syswei (Nov 14, 2006 3:13 pm) Wrong and wrong again. The numbers may be correct and I do care about reliability. But the differences between average reliability and excellent reliability in cars is far too subtle for me to care about. This is not the 1970s of exploding Pintos. IMO the most important diffence between cars is how they drive. And usually that difference is more than subtle.
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 3:16 pm) It makes me wonder if Chinese built Audis have the same high quality fit and finish as the Audis that are built in Germany? It is known fact that different assembly plants have different results in quality. Merc's recent indication about Mercedes' Alabama plant having quality concerns is a real issue. Interestingly, I learned from a friend of mine who owns a Honda dealership, that their Hybrid model is DELIBERATELY assembled in Japan to assure its quality. What does THAT say? No surprise here, IMO. TagMan
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 3:28 pm) Until their customers become more discerning regarding reliability issues the customers will just have to settle for "almost as good". Reliability usually means that the cars are just made better...closer tolerances, better materials, more modern mfg. plants etc., etc., etc.
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 3:42 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 14, 2006 4:33 pm) Nope not at all. Just the opposite. In fact Toyota employees visit BMW factories to learn how well BMWs are manufactured(please refer to that BMW article from Businessweek that Tagman had posted about a month ago).
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 3:28 pm) This is not the 1970s of exploding Pintos. True, but do you recall a story on Edmunds from a fellow who went through a carwash and had both of his bumpers fall off because of the action of the brushes? Not life and death in that particular situation. But not a car I'd choose to buy. I would indeed buy a car with average reliability if I found its other attributes to be sufficiently more desirable over a more reliable competitor. Might even find myself in that position next year, if I view the Q7 as offering average reliability at that time, for example. Another way I think about this issue is that there are certain brands, such as MB, where I can't see myself buying a first-year model unless it offers something truly compelling. I just don't trust the brand that much. With Lexus on the other hand, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a first-year model if I liked the vehicle only moderately more than the competition. |
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