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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 13, 2006 9:37 pm) It just doesn't belong in a vehicle starting slightly south of $60k. It's hard to say this, but the Escalade's(altho tilt only-MANUAL AT THAT!!) is more nicely wrought out. The whole IP is a bit uninspired to my eyes, but the use of materials and assembly are first rate. But as Tag eluded to, the steering wheel gaps are part of the function of the wheel, not a design flaw. But it is a cheapened way to get a better wheel to fully integrate the wheel controls and hub, like on most other high end cars. |
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 14, 2006 12:31 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 14, 2006 10:14 am) Well I think it is just plain poor (i.e. cheap) design. Mercedes does much better on their other models so there is no excuse for the R/M/GL steering wheel to look that way. M |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Nov 13, 2006 3:10 pm) I myself have shared your positive experiences with German cars for more than two decades. And I can assure you that JD or CR will not sway me to purchase or not purchase a car. The non-existence of JD or CR stats on BMW twin turbos did not prevent me from buying one. Having said that I think you and I can agree upon the importance of JD and CR stats for the automobilie buying public. The weakness of all German luxury cars is that there is not a single model that has consistently earned red dots for more than a few years as an overall score from CR or has ranked as best in class by JD on a consistent basis. Lexus has achieved that with many of its models on a consistent basis throughout the years. Is that important? I dont think so! But from a strictly marketing perspective it certainly does help Lexus.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Nov 14, 2006 1:30 pm) altho the wood wheel on my S600 is pretty cool. Jaguar Vanden Plas steering wheel is wood, both top and bottom, with leather in the center and both sides, good balance between the two, decent thickness, coordinates with burl interior, and is also internally heated in conjunction with heated seats . . . three temp selections. Well done, IMO . . . but I'd have to say my favorite has always been quality leather. I also like a thick grip . . . skinny is no good, IMO. BTW, Targa is supposed to arrive within next few days.  TagMan |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 14, 2006 3:00 pm) Lexus has achieved that with many of its models on a consistent basis throughout the years. Is that important? I dont think so! Not important because you think the numbers are wrong? Or because a true enthusiast shouldn't care about reliability?
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 13, 2006 9:37 pm) Good professional wine tasters will smell the bouquet of a bottle and tell you whether it is a good wine or not. Apparently you are uniquely endowed with a nose that can tell the quality of a car from the residue of its wood, leather and chemicals. I am very impressed  But seriously it is not only American built Benzes that fall short in quality. When I sat in a BMW X3 I was shocked at its low quality interior. Is it mere coincidence that the X3 happens to be built in Austria by a Canadian auto supply company (Magna Steyr) ? I dont think so! It makes me wonder if Chinese built Audis have the same high quality fit and finish as the Audis that are built in Germany? It is possible that a supplier of Chery(Chinese Auto company) supplies some parts for a Chinese-made Audi?
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