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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 13, 2006 12:03 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Nov 13, 2006 12:10 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Nov 13, 2006 9:34 am) Good question? Maybe the good 06 results for the S were overshadowed by lousy results for 04 and 05. And even if that is the case I would still not get too excited about the new 06 S in terms of reliability since it is still far too early to determine how they will hold out in the long term. Various MB models that were rated above average by JD and CR have ended up being rated below-average in later years. Consistent high quality throughout the years is no longer a Benz-like attribute ( My wife and I still drive my dad's problem-free 83 MB300D with its close to Guiness Book World record mileage numbers on its odometer) The latest CR ratings for various Audi models have been very positive. Unfortunately these one year results will not transform Audis into Lexuses in terms of reliability. Lexus has earned it reputation for quality by being consistent throughout the years. Audi ,MB, BMW and even Porsche have still a long way to go.
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 13, 2006 9:44 am) How can I forget. I think that BMW article you had posted was responsible for at least 2000 posts in what was then called the HELM forum. 
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Replying to: pat (Nov 13, 2006 11:54 am) Dont worry. Unfortunately that leaves the BMW 7 and 6 as conversation topics which just happen to be my least two favorite cars from BMW. 
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 13, 2006 11:01 am) There are a lot of things tha MB did with it's biggest ever US offering that is sort of interesting. But one thing is for sure, they didn't skimp on the refinement and dynamics, which makes an '07 Escalade look like a '34 Buick, all for the same money(as a matter fact, the MB starts 1800 bucks less). And it has a 3rd row that borders on Surburban-expansive. Couple that with it's relatively low weight(for the class) and some real athletic moves, and you have one SUV that is unphased in this class. Ok, the Q7 does compare nicely, which happens to be it's closes competitor.
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 13, 2006 2:24 pm) Welcome back from your short hiatus, Dewey! But, as I see it, regarding Audi, very few owners report the problems that are so purported with German cars. I had the most technology-driven, most powerful and biggest Audi of them all, yet that car never saw one unscheduled visit. The same can be said for many other German cars. The 3-Series for instance(using it as a point, PAT) is enjoying record breaking satisfaction scores. I don't think these people are very happy to know the service manager by first name. This car is now as reliable as it's Japanese/American comp. And the latest MB's are absolutely stellar, mainly the E and S, with the E having 75% less problems than the 96-03 model it replaces. And it's not all cake and ice cream over at Lexus. Several problems have aroused about the LS' 6-speed autobox and the previous 5-speed. The LX470 has not been the model of reliability that most will lead some to believe, right along with it's LC platformate. Diddo the GX.
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the GL when i drove it. It was smooth, and powerful, very quiet. My problem with it is the ergonomics. They are a disaster IMO. The ML doesn't offer anything in terms of driving dynamics, fit and finish, or hushing road noise over the new MDX. My wife loves the look of the ML, but I doubt it will win her over if she drives it. My guess is that it's gonna come down to the Q7, and the X5, with the X5 winning by a small margin when she's due for another ride.
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