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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#20911 of 24700 Re: HP [dhamilton] by hpowders Nov 09, 2006 (7:22 pm)
Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 09, 2006 5:20 pm) Well, if I found the GS confining, which is Lexus' idea of a mid-sized vehicle, what do you think I will have to say about the quarters of the compact IS?   For the love of humanity, I would think that a vicodin tray would be a necessary part of the buffet table, hopefully, far, far away fom the Cherry Heering.
#20912 of 24700 Re: hpowers [hpowders] by Nov 09, 2006 (7:23 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 09, 2006 4:12 pm) I am the same size as you and I am not looking forward to the IS at the TOL. However someone here requested my impressions, so I will attempt it. Hope they have a big can opener.        Happy to report that at 6'4", over 230 lbs., had no problems with ingress/egress for the Lexus IS350. Wouldn't recommend it as a car to move 4 people in consistently, doh.       More of a 2+2. Fastest ride in the park. Needs a stick for a return engagement.       DrFill
#20913 of 24700 Re: hpowers [hpowders] by drfill Nov 09, 2006 (7:23 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 09, 2006 4:12 pm) I am the same size as you and I am not looking forward to the IS at the TOL. However someone here requested my impressions, so I will attempt it. Hope they have a big can opener.        Happy to report that at 6'4", over 230 lbs., had no problems with ingress/egress for the Lexus IS350. Wouldn't recommend it as a car to move 4 people in consistently, doh.       More of a 2+2. Fastest ride in the park. Needs a stick for a return engagement.       DrFill Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 09, 2006 7:35 pm)
#20914 of 24700 Re: funny video [syswei] by hpowders Nov 09, 2006 (7:32 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Nov 09, 2006 6:36 pm) You mean "truthful" video. Lexus has issued a statement washing their hands of any potential legalities for damages that may result from using the self-parking feature. It goes to show; BMW does not have a monopoly on technological stupidity. Lexus wants to compete with BMW. On this level, they may even be "better."   PS: If you do post that video "elsewhere", not to worry. I'm sure it was only a pre-production model tested, the moon was not in the seventh house and there was a vicious cross-breeze at the time which the reviewers conspired to leave out.
#20915 of 24700 Re: hpowers [drfill] by hpowders Nov 09, 2006 (7:35 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Nov 09, 2006 7:23 pm) Have you sat in the GS driver's seat? I couldn't adjust the seat so my right knee and leg weren't brushing against the console.
#20916 of 24700 Re: diesel news [tagman] by brightness04 Nov 09, 2006 (8:29 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 09, 2006 9:35 am) While the ancient 300TD was what I had, I did consider and test a much more recent MB diesel . . . a product that was suppposed to have improved so much . . . but the clatter in cold start was definitely still there. What's that expression? Fool me once . . .   Diesels do not deliver the power of a V8, so the much more appropriate comparison would be to V6 gasser, until there is such a thing as a V8 diesel offered in the same line.   I happen to live in one of the states that account for the overwhelming majority of MB and BMW sales, yet having regulators that follow CARB like shadow (LOL). I'm not against diesel at all for my own vehicle purchase when I want a car that delivers decent performance and economy . . . however, I'm quite skeptical diesel's potential in HELM. It's like, the RL, good performance, good economy, but a non-starter for HELM with a V6, even if it's a 300hp V6. In terms of smoothness, which is so quintessential to HELM since the days of Rolls-Royce, no modern diesel can come even close to the Acura 3.5 V6, which as we know still does not cut it. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 09, 2006 8:46 pm)
#20917 of 24700 Re: hpowers [hpowders] by brightness04 Nov 09, 2006 (8:32 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 09, 2006 11:38 am) Definately make sure you are in the power mode. The default mode on those cars often start in 2nd or 3rd gear, which is gawd awful if you are into neck snapping Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 13, 2006 7:19 am)
#20918 of 24700 Re: diesel news [brightness04] by tagman Nov 09, 2006 (8:46 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 09, 2006 8:29 pm) Diesels do not deliver the power of a V8   I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree with you.   And this is why . . . Take a closer look at the torque levels provided by diesels, and the amazingly low RPMs that can provide 100% of the engine's torque . . . which is what provides the surge out of the gate, and the lower rpm power which is ideal for quick bursts, and perfect for passing.   Depending upon the engines, a V6 diesel can easily compare to a V8 gas ICE. Interestingly, the hybrids with their small gas ICEs mated to those electric motors end up comparing to much larger engines, don't they?   I'm quite skeptical diesel's potential in HELM.   I do not share your skepticism. The global picture already does not share your skepticism. In addition, I've seen enough posts on this forum, which of course is the HELM forum, and the concensus has been an overwhelming acceptance of the notion of a diesel-powered HELM.   TagMan
#20919 of 24700 Re: Ford/Jaguar/Aston-Martin.. [tagman] by merc1 Nov 09, 2006 (9:14 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 09, 2006 9:38 am) Well it the VW-based Bentleys I can't stand. I love the Arnage and its upcoming variants. The VW based Flying Brick (as I like to call it) and the Continental GT look like giant VWs and they're mighty ugly to me. The Arnage on the other had is traditional Bentley, old world, the aristocrat. There is also a Coupe version of the Arnage/Azure platform coming, the Havana:     There was no way Bentley was going to allow Rolls to produce the 100 and 101 EX models Coupe and Convertibles without any competition from Bentley.   M
#20920 of 24700 Re: Ford/Jaguar/Aston-Martin.. [lexusguy] by merc1 Nov 09, 2006 (9:18 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 09, 2006 11:25 am) The fact that it costs less than the standard V8 though does make the 55 AMG look a bit overpriced.   Well you know I'd disagree with that because to me if the Jaguar can't match the peformance of a SL55 or M6 then their prices are justified. You pay for what you get, the SL is imo just a whole lot more car.   I realize the Ford stole the look, but still it is there so I don't see a problem with all one brand (the Benzes) sharing a look if Jaguar/Ford can share one though not on purpose. The Benzes are supposed to look somewhat alike, but a Ford and Jaguar aren't. I seem to remember reading where the brother of Jaguar's stylist did the Taurus so that is where he got the idea from.   M

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