High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#20592 of 24700 Re: Alright, let me come at it from a different way. [psychdoc] by syswei Oct 30, 2006 (9:13 am)
Replying to: psychdoc (Oct 30, 2006 8:57 am) Wood is a personal preference. I used to like high-gloss Italian lacquer and put that in my bedroom. I no longer like it and will eventually replace the furniture in favor of a satin type of finish. I would actually prefer a satin finish to the Lexus wood, but it isn't a deal breaker.
#20593 of 24700 more commentary from the LS460L/Phaeton/E55 owner by syswei Oct 30, 2006 (9:31 am)
Again from CL: I just took my neighbor -- who has a BMW 7-series with the Sport package -- out for a drive. We spent around an hour comparing the two cars. He was blown away by the Lexus, how quiet and refined it is, how well all the tech works and how easily it can be accessed by the driver, and by the overall sense of very high quality. He was blown away by the rear seat, and thought the handling of our LS460L was not that bad. His BMW is one great handling sedan, but the penalties in NVH make the Lexus feel "peaceful and soothing" in comparison. His words. He's also a performance freak (my daily driver is an E55, and he's had a series of AMG and M cars) so I was surprised that his opinions followed my own pretty closely. He has also spent a great deal of time driving the new S-Class; he can afford just about any car, and said he'd choose the Lexus over the Benz any day.... The guy is very passionate about cars, and just isn't impressed by the new S-Class. He feels the interior is a copy of the BMW, and he liked the LS interior better than either of the German cars. He liked both the design and the materials in the Lexus.
#20595 of 24700 Re: Alright, let me come at it from a different way. [psychdoc] by hpowders Oct 30, 2006 (12:31 pm)
Replying to: psychdoc (Oct 30, 2006 8:57 am) I stand by what I said. When I drove the GS, the "glitzy", overly bright, highly lacquered console wood appeared overdone and hence, tasteless and ugly. Love the BMW wood. Top quality without calling attention to itself. We BMW drivers do not need to be reminded that we have "arrived." The BMW wood represents the understated taste expected in fine luxury vehicles, none of which, by the by, have any problems with "stop and go", which obviously, still seems to elude those great Lexus engineers.
#20596 of 24700 Re: Alright, let me come at it from a different way. [psychdoc] by lexusguy Oct 30, 2006 (12:51 pm)
Replying to: psychdoc (Oct 30, 2006 8:57 am) Lexus does wood better than any other car manufacturer. Uh...no. While the Lexus gloss look doesn't bother me (although the ES330 went a bit overboard on that) they certainly do not do wood better than any other car maker. They are beaten by Audi and Jaguar, and Aston Martin, Bentley, Rolls Royce, etc.
#20600 of 24700 Re: DrFill [tagman] by houdini1 Oct 30, 2006 (1:13 pm)
Tag, you seem to be trying to hi-jack the good doctors review. Why don't you wait until YOU compare the two cars before you start doing your review. Doc gave us HIS impressions and there is no need for you to tell us what he meant. We can all read faily well by now. Please, just take a deep breath and relax. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 30, 2006 2:33 pm)
#20601 of 24700 Re: DrFill [houdini1] by tagman Oct 30, 2006 (2:33 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 30, 2006 1:13 pm) Houdini, I know what Doc meant, just like the rest of you. I have no problem with that, and appreciate his view, as I told him in one of my posts to him. When I posted a remark to dhamilton, however, about Mercedes superior engineering, in response to Doc's post, brightness jumped in and thought that I was actually quoting the Doc. I was only stating my own opinion . . . and I am entitled to that. hijacking? My post 20594 and previous posts explain the simple confusion. I should have made it clearer when quoting the Doc, and when giving my opinion, as it seems that brightness confused the two, and then the whole thing snowballed. So . . . there is no hijacking. Again, I have explained all of this already, and to perpetuate this is a waste of time. TagMan