Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#2059 of 24726 fjk57702
Nov 18, 2002 (12:23 pm)
"The S-class body design is significantly refined (stronger, tighter, quieter) than the E-class body. Higher priced versions of the E-class do not get better bodies, although they may get a
little more sound insulation."
Ok, I'll buy that for 2003. I'm not so sure though with the pre-facelifted 2000-2002 S-Class. The car lost a lot of rigidity from the 1999 model. The new E is very solid, a definite step up from the previous E-Class...the doors even "thunk" like the days of Benzes gone by.
Hmmmm you're that far west in "that" state huh? Interesting.
Nov 18, 2002 (12:51 pm)
Denver is the nearest location where there are several dealerships. East from here, Sioux Falls is possibly closer (and all interstate).
I personally think the E-class has all the "refinement" that anyone really needs. Actually, I like my 02 Seville LS. It seems like a very solid car with little wind noise. The frameless windows on the Riviera and Aurora would make noise in a head wind.
#2061 of 24726 Sales Numbers
Nov 19, 2002 (10:07 am)
Maxhonda, are you sure the Q45 is dead last? Even the previous Q outsold the A8 in the US, and the new Q, while still a slow seller, is selling more units than before. I'll check the numbers when my site comes back up...
#2062 of 24726 RE: Sales numbers
Nov 19, 2002 (1:39 pm)
Autosite.com shows that the Q45 sold 3000+ so far this year while the Audi S8 ~300 and the A8 ~800. Rolls Royce sales were a blazing 97 or so.
#2063 of 24726 RR sales numbers -
Nov 19, 2002 (2:29 pm)
And their buyers probably like it that way.
Nov 20, 2002 (2:32 pm)
Yup, right, the Q45 is the bigger seller at about 3K thru Sep-02 vs. about 800 for the A8.
Nov 20, 2002 (2:47 pm)
Remember that the A8 is in its last year and that the new 2004 model is due out this spring. Just looking at the updated styling and features there is no doubt that A8 sales will increase dramatically in percentage terms. Just how much will depend on how competitively the car is priced compared to its competition (BMW and Mercedes, most directly). I personally like the looks of the new A8 better than either of them.
Nov 20, 2002 (6:47 pm)
Never has sold well in the US. Even when the last re-design occurred sales were slow. Plus it has a twin in the Phaeton to compete with next year. For the life of me I'll never understand VW's strategy.
Nov 21, 2002 (2:20 am)
It seems like an even more of an uphill fight for the A8. Just when it gets re-designed and has a real chance at selling in greater numbers, it has to share the spotlight with a VW. Between the two though the A8 looks to be the superior car.
Nov 21, 2002 (9:45 am)
In depth story on front page of today's NY Times on BMW and Chris Bangle. You should try to access it on-line.