High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#20577 of 24697 Re: Ok, I'm back with my TOL Report! [drfill] by lexusguy Oct 29, 2006 (10:21 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Oct 29, 2006 11:52 am) The SC430! It was quite the kick in the pants! I would call it "Snappy"! No squeal from the run-flats, and I was puttin' it down! Ok, you completely lost me on this one, doc. The SC430 is not, a "kick in the pants" or "snappy." Its the 2nd most boring convertible on the market, just behind the Camry Solara. It drives like an ES350 minus the roof. Granted my XK is no Porsche 911, but the fact that it handles significantly better than the SC with a platform thats three decades old is just sad. Even without a CLK550 or 650 on hand for comparison, anyone with a pulse should be able to tell that the SC is a bathtub shaped snoozebox.
#20578 of 24697 Re: Tagman [tagman] by merc1 Oct 30, 2006 (1:00 am)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 27, 2006 6:09 am) Yes stunning isn't it! I can now go the MB dealer and look at when it arrives without feeling funny about being there. M
#20579 of 24697 Re: Tagman [blkhemi] by merc1 Oct 30, 2006 (1:01 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 27, 2006 7:24 am) The AMG pack really dresses it up. And that's why I got it on my S600, which incidentally, arrives Monday. You were able to get a U.S. market S600 with the AMG package? M Replies to this message: blkhemi (Oct 30, 2006 6:12 pm) anthonyp (Oct 30, 2006 6:58 pm) merc1 (Oct 30, 2006 9:44 pm) merc1 (Oct 30, 2006 11:51 pm) houdini1 (Oct 31, 2006 5:19 am) and 2 more...
#20580 of 24697 Re: DrFill [brightness04] by pat HOST Oct 30, 2006 (4:19 am)
Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 29, 2006 9:09 pm) Um, isn't it a little silly for two people to be arguing about what a third person meant instead of just asking said third person??
#20581 of 24697 Re: LS 460L Touring [hendjaz] by syswei Oct 30, 2006 (4:33 am)
Replying to: hendjaz (Oct 29, 2006 6:03 pm) Thanks for the info. Please let us know what you think of the car. I hope for Lexus' sake that the Touring version is what they give to C&D, R&T, etc for comparos. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Oct 30, 2006 5:30 am) syswei (Oct 30, 2006 5:31 am)
#20582 of 24697 Re: LS 460L Touring [syswei] by lexusguy Oct 30, 2006 (5:30 am)
Replying to: syswei (Oct 30, 2006 4:33 am) I hope for Lexus' sake that the Touring version is what they give to C&D, R&T, etc for comparos. You would think they would, but it may end up not being the case. I'm pretty sure all of the LS430 road tests were done on cars without the "Eurosport" suspension option. Then again, its somewhat questionable as to whether Eurosport equipped LS430s even exist.
#20583 of 24697 Re: LS 460L Touring [syswei] by syswei Oct 30, 2006 (5:31 am)
Replying to: syswei (Oct 30, 2006 4:33 am) OK I found Lexus' product mix for the Western region here. Touring is 6% of total Oct/Nov LS460L deliveries to port, and about 2% of total SWB+LWB deliveries. Other regions will differ. The sheet also shows which color combinations are common and which are rare.
#20584 of 24697 Lincoln blows it (again) by lexusguy Oct 30, 2006 (5:39 am)
C&D's short take review of the MKX is now on their website. Their conclusion is completely predictable, its a badge engineered Edge with a $9K price hike. They are marching right into RX350 and MDX territory with this:
#20585 of 24697 Merc by drfill Oct 30, 2006 (6:02 am)
Very interesting. The exterior of the S is severly flawed? The slab-sided, ill-proportioned front to rear LS460/L is some type of design triumph or beauty? That is really hilarious doc. You seem to have butchered the term "slab-sided" to fit the LS. Slab-sided would be the new Chevy Tahoe, which I used to like because it had some style to it's flanks! Don't have to worry about that anymore! Lexus installed a character line front to rear, below the beltline, plus the chrome/surface tension that now adorns the lower doors/rocker panels. The S goes to lower the beltline, as it descends under the hoodline, like a Mitsu Eclipse. I personally hate that! Moving the beltline in an arc like that is needless, and unbefitting of a luxury car. I think Mercedes put those humps in the back to prevent a slab-sided look for the S, which has no surface tension to speak of. LG Maybe I don't know what I'm doin', but I didn't have a 700-ft slalom handy, and I hit it with everything I had in 30 seconds, and it came out fine. The course was small, and the ground wasn't up to raceway standards. But 300HP is still a ton of power, and I didn't need Dramamine afterwards. I am no expert after 30 seconds. All I can say is the engine is strong enough. And it had enough composure, kinda like how an LS430 would act. Composed, if not impressive. DrFill Replies to this message: merc1 (Oct 30, 2006 8:25 am)
#20586 of 24697 The cars would separate even more at high speeds by dhamilton Oct 30, 2006 (6:41 am)
"You say a 30 second test drive doesn't reveal everything or even a lot, and I agree with this, but if the first impressions are that a S550 is a superior car dyanamicly in a tight course staged by Lexus don't you think that would carry over the real-world roads? Japanese cars aren't known for improving their dynamics as speeds increase like German cars are". This was something that hit me as well but I forgot to mention it. I truly believe the gap will increase, as speeds increase. The big Benz was just so buttoned down and tight. That's the German car experience in a nutshell.