High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#20501 of 24700 Re: E class [mariner7] by lexusguy Oct 27, 2006 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: mariner7 (Oct 27, 2006 10:46 am) I think Toyota should invest in V12, if it wants to remain near the top. It seems like V12 is needed for exclusivity nowadays, even if the numbers are not great. Profit-awash Toyota should have the money for the investment. But I did read Toy is short of engineers, that's probably the reason. I don't think its an engineering issue, and its obviously not a money problem. Joining two of the new 3.0L engines for a 6.0L V12 shouldn't be too difficult. I just don't think Toyota is interested in doing it. No one buys a V12 luxury sedan because they need it. Having a V12 is all about prestige, and Lexus will find it very tough to compete with M-B and BMW at that level, V12 or no. The traditional Lexus value approach also won't work. Value isn't something that matters to the $100K+ crowd, or they would buy the V8 versions. I think the best approach Lexus can use to try and get a toe-hold in the ultra high end market is the one they are using, the 600hL. They can't just have a "me too" V12, they need to have something truly different than what the Germans offer in order to steal any buyers away. I'm surprised the early rumors are V6 will be 3.0. Even MKX has the new 3.5! The new S-type's engine is a 3.2L inline six, borrowed from Volvo. After the Jaguar work over, I would expect 260hp or so. Replies to this message: british_rover (Oct 27, 2006 3:34 pm)
#20502 of 24700 Re: E class [lexusguy] by british_rover Oct 27, 2006 (3:34 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 27, 2006 12:56 pm) That motor is basicly the same is the engine going in the LR2 but modified for off road use with dust proofing and water proofing and such. In the LR2 it is doing about 234 hp so 260 something sounds right to me for the S-Type. Part of my fantasy car garage is a Super V8 Jaguar and a Mark III Range Rover HSE with luxury interior. Those would be my two long trip cars. The Jaguar for good weather conditions and the Range Rover for bad weather.
#20503 of 24700 Taste by dhamilton Oct 27, 2006 (6:00 pm)
I'll be at the Taste of Lexus first thing in the morning. I'll post my experience sometime tomorrow night...
#20504 of 24700 I'll be Sunday Mornin'! by Oct 27, 2006 (6:36 pm)
Let me no wut 2 expect, please! Tanx! They bess have at least 4 LS460/L thur to drive. Why wait? I doubt there will be more than 1 S550/750i. DrFill
#20506 of 24700 I hope... by hpowders Oct 27, 2006 (7:08 pm)
he has a good stiff cyclone behind him when driving the LS. Then he just may experience the 0-60mph time that Lexus claims, but two professional reviewers couldn't replicate. Replies to this message: dhamilton (Oct 27, 2006 8:01 pm) hpowders (Oct 28, 2006 5:45 am) lexusguy (Oct 28, 2006 8:09 am) lexusguy (Oct 27, 2006 8:21 pm) tagman (Oct 27, 2006 8:45 pm) drfill (Oct 27, 2006 8:59 pm) and 1 more... hpowders (Oct 28, 2006 5:35 am)
#20507 of 24700 Re: I hope... [hpowders] by dhamilton Oct 27, 2006 (8:01 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 27, 2006 7:08 pm) It will be interesting to see the difference in philosophy between Lexus and everyone else's driving event I've attended. So far, BMW puts the most emphasis on driving [no surprise there] and Audi has been far and away the most classy, with Volvo, GM, and Ford just ho hum. I don't really expect to be blown away by how it drives. I do expect to come away with more respect for Lexus on how they do Luxury. If I was shopping Maybachs, I may just save the dough and grab the L with the executive seating package. I don't really have that kind of paperwork in case anyone was wondering Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 28, 2006 5:45 am) lexusguy (Oct 28, 2006 8:09 am)
#20508 of 24700 Re: I hope... [hpowders] by lexusguy Oct 27, 2006 (8:21 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 27, 2006 7:08 pm) Then he just may experience the 0-60mph time that Lexus claims, but two professional reviewers couldn't replicate. C&D's test car was clearly a pre-production sample, the brakes barely worked. Has Edmunds ever matched a manufacturer's rated 0-60, with any car? Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 27, 2006 8:45 pm) drfill (Oct 27, 2006 8:59 pm) blkhemi (Oct 28, 2006 5:11 am) hpowders (Oct 28, 2006 5:35 am)
#20509 of 24700 Re: I hope... [lexusguy] by tagman Oct 27, 2006 (8:45 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 27, 2006 8:21 pm) C&D's test car was clearly a pre-production sample, the brakes barely worked. Has Edmunds ever matched a manufacturer's rated 0-60, with any car? So, when can we officially KNOW that the LS460 can or can't do what Lexus claims? TagMan Replies to this message: drfill (Oct 27, 2006 8:59 pm) blkhemi (Oct 28, 2006 5:11 am) hpowders (Oct 28, 2006 5:35 am)
#20510 of 24700 Re: I hope... [tagman] by drfill Oct 27, 2006 (8:59 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 27, 2006 8:45 pm) When a full comparison is launched, of course! The Mags haven't done one yet 'cus they are waiting for production models, not pre-production models, to test. Considering the number of options most tested LS' will have, a 5.4 time is unlikely, since Manufacturer's times are from cars at curb weight, no options. Remember, C&D tested the IS350 at 5.1, faster than Lexus claims! GS450h at 5.5 (5.2) GX470 at 7.7 (8.0) ES350 at 6.2! (6.8) (over 3600 lbs!) In LS we trust! BTW, did anyone else hear that the Next Toyota Tundra will have 380+ HP? This bodes well for future Lexus trucks. http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/26/5-7-liter-v8-in-toyota-tundra-will-produce-38- 1-horsepower/ DrFill Replies to this message: blkhemi (Oct 28, 2006 5:11 am)