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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#20493 of 24700 Re: Tagman [merc1] by blkhemi Oct 27, 2006 (7:24 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 26, 2006 11:20 pm) Gosh Merc! I take a drive in the S8 for a couple of days to the Catskills, and this is what I come back to?   Seriously tho, this car is absolutely stunning, particularly in this color hue.   The AMG pack really dresses it up. And that's why I got it on my S600, which incidentally, arrives Monday. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 27, 2006 7:42 am) blkhemi (Oct 27, 2006 9:53 am) merc1 (Oct 30, 2006 1:01 am) blkhemi (Oct 30, 2006 6:12 pm) anthonyp (Oct 30, 2006 6:58 pm) merc1 (Oct 30, 2006 9:44 pm) merc1 (Oct 30, 2006 11:51 pm) and 3 more...
#20494 of 24700 Re: Tagman [blkhemi] by tagman Oct 27, 2006 (7:42 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 27, 2006 7:24 am) I take a drive in the S8 for a couple of days to the Catskills, and this is what I come back to?   Yeah, notice my rare minimum posting the last couple of days?   The AMG pack really dresses it up. And that's why I got it on my S600, which incidentally, arrives Monday.   Monday should be a good day for you, then. Good luck.   Sorry, I don't remember your S600 color combo, if you mentioned it. What flavor?   TagMan Replies to this message: blkhemi (Oct 27, 2006 9:53 am)
#20495 of 24700 Re: Tagman [tagman] by blkhemi Oct 27, 2006 (9:53 am)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 27, 2006 7:42 am) Triple Blaque w/ Tri-Coate and Cashmere interior.   It also has the S63/65 front/rear apron and side sills. Beautiful Indeed.
#20496 of 24700 Hmh by british_rover Oct 27, 2006 (9:58 am)
I really like the new CL compared to the last generation. One of my clients had a CL500 and I never really cared for it.
#20497 of 24700 Re: MB marketting quirks [lexusguy] by blkhemi Oct 27, 2006 (10:10 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 26, 2006 12:00 pm) No Jag of current vintage will run any German car off of the road.   The XJR/Super V8/Portfolio offers great driving fun and smooth operation, but in terms of what drives "better than", the Cats are out-paced by the S63, 760i, and S8.   But the Jags do offer more than just driving fun. The interior decor has stayed true to Jaguar's "classic, yet functional" mantra. The XJ and XK are the only Jag's of interest to me as they, (1) don't share platforms with any car, and (2) that British character still rings true in these cars, for the good this go around.   But it's the XK that's got me in a trance. This car make some people do a double take at the SL as it is just that good. The interior quality/assembly/materials are of the best in this class. And altho 300hp ain't squat when you've got a $35k IS350 with 306, it just drives with great poise and feedback.   I'm waiting to drive the XKR. Some of my British pals tell me this car may not have that SL55 power, but it will out-hustle it in a curve. And that may not be to hard to believe. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 27, 2006 12:04 pm) blkhemi (Oct 28, 2006 5:20 am) tagman (Oct 28, 2006 12:04 pm) and 2 more... lexusguy (Oct 27, 2006 12:42 pm)
#20498 of 24700 Re: E class [lexusguy] by mariner7 Oct 27, 2006 (10:46 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 26, 2006 12:26 pm) I think Toyota should invest in V12, if it wants to remain near the top. It seems like V12 is needed for exclusivity nowadays, even if the numbers are not great. Profit-awash Toyota should have the money for the investment. But I did read Toy is short of engineers, that's probably the reason.   It makes sense for engine lineup for Panamera is the same as Cayenne, minus V6. Porsche can still borrow VW V12. Panamera better be a better sports sedan than Cayenne a SUV. I was surprised as hell Cayenne Turbo is not as fast as similar-power Cherokee SRT8 in R&T comparo, which is basically a truck. And only a little faster than less powerful as X5 4.8 and FX45. All that weight is to blame, I think Panamera will be more George Foreman at 25, not at 50.   Have you seen the photos of new S type, out in 08? Better looking that any current competitor, IMO. I'm surprised the early rumors are V6 will be 3.0. Even MKX has the new 3.5! Replies to this message: lexusguy (Oct 27, 2006 12:56 pm) british_rover (Oct 27, 2006 3:34 pm)
#20499 of 24700 Re: MB marketting quirks [blkhemi] by tagman Oct 27, 2006 (12:04 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 27, 2006 10:10 am) But the Jags do offer more than just driving fun. The interior decor has stayed true to Jaguar's "classic, yet functional" mantra. The XJ and XK are the only Jag's of interest to me as they, (1) don't share platforms with any car, and (2) that British character still rings true in these cars, for the good this go around.    But it's the XK that's got me in a trance. This car make some people do a double take at the SL as it is just that good. The interior quality/assembly/materials are of the best in this class. And altho 300hp ain't squat when you've got a $35k IS350 with 306, it just drives with great poise and feedback.   I ALWAYS like a good post about Jag (XJ & XK).   The XJ and XK are the only true current Jags, IMO.   That 300 HP V8 engine is much more responsive with lots of grunt than many would ever expect, and yet it is silky smooth, delivering ridiculously good fuel economy of about 27 HWY MPG.   The Vanden Plas or Portfolio are the only ways to go with an XJ, IMO. But the Vanden Plas is a bargain, IMO . . . and the new XK is a steal.   BTW, totally different subject . . . I have heard that the Porsche 911 will undergo a TOTAL change within two years. I imagine this is due to the performance encroachment of the Cayman. What do you know about any of this?   TagMan Replies to this message: blkhemi (Oct 28, 2006 5:20 am) tagman (Oct 28, 2006 12:04 pm) lexusguy (Oct 28, 2006 12:12 pm) blkhemi (Oct 28, 2006 1:13 pm)
#20500 of 24700 Re: MB marketting quirks [blkhemi] by lexusguy Oct 27, 2006 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 27, 2006 10:10 am) I'm waiting to drive the XKR. Some of my British pals tell me this car may not have that SL55 power, but it will out-hustle it in a curve. And that may not be to hard to believe.   My Jag dealer invited me to stop in for a sneak preview of the XKR. Its absolutely gorgeous. That bright silver mesh grille and front air dam completely transform the front of the car, and solve the pugnose issue. Unfortunately I wasn't allowed to drive it, it was one of the only examples in the country and was only going to be there a day or two before moving on to the next dealership.   I can definitely see a new XKR in my future. I've driven the new XK8, and while the interior is a massive improvement in both design and comfort now that the last bits of XJS are finally banished from the car, the handling and power are not that much different than what I've got now. I want my new cat with claws   It will be interesting to see what happens with the XKR-R. I dont think Jag has either confirmed or denied that they will do it. One issue is that it would be a direct competitor to the V8 Vantage... with a lot more horsepower than the Aston.
#20501 of 24700 Re: E class [mariner7] by lexusguy Oct 27, 2006 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: mariner7 (Oct 27, 2006 10:46 am) I think Toyota should invest in V12, if it wants to remain near the top. It seems like V12 is needed for exclusivity nowadays, even if the numbers are not great. Profit-awash Toyota should have the money for the investment. But I did read Toy is short of engineers, that's probably the reason.   I don't think its an engineering issue, and its obviously not a money problem. Joining two of the new 3.0L engines for a 6.0L V12 shouldn't be too difficult. I just don't think Toyota is interested in doing it. No one buys a V12 luxury sedan because they need it. Having a V12 is all about prestige, and Lexus will find it very tough to compete with M-B and BMW at that level, V12 or no. The traditional Lexus value approach also won't work. Value isn't something that matters to the $100K+ crowd, or they would buy the V8 versions.   I think the best approach Lexus can use to try and get a toe-hold in the ultra high end market is the one they are using, the 600hL. They can't just have a "me too" V12, they need to have something truly different than what the Germans offer in order to steal any buyers away.   I'm surprised the early rumors are V6 will be 3.0. Even MKX has the new 3.5!   The new S-type's engine is a 3.2L inline six, borrowed from Volvo. After the Jaguar work over, I would expect 260hp or so. Replies to this message: british_rover (Oct 27, 2006 3:34 pm)
#20502 of 24700 Re: E class [lexusguy] by british_rover Oct 27, 2006 (3:34 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 27, 2006 12:56 pm) That motor is basicly the same is the engine going in the LR2 but modified for off road use with dust proofing and water proofing and such.   In the LR2 it is doing about 234 hp so 260 something sounds right to me for the S-Type.   Part of my fantasy car garage is a Super V8 Jaguar and a Mark III Range Rover HSE with luxury interior. Those would be my two long trip cars. The Jaguar for good weather conditions and the Range Rover for bad weather.

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