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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#20426 of 24723 Re: opinion [anthonyp]
Oct 24, 2006 (9:28 pm)
I remember four or five years ago there was a big discussion between almost everyone vs Merc on the Lexus and was it even a HELM car or not...Slowly Merc threw in the towel, but really put up a fight....It was back then that my admiration for Merc grew as he really knew his fact and figures--and was stubborn as could be..Today there are quite a few imo who are right up there with him...Tony
Not sure which discussion that was, but I've never, ever thrown in any towels anywhere concerning Mercedes or MB vs. Lexus. If anything certain Lexus defenders have left, quit, gave up since 1999, not me. This debate about whether or not a E is a HELM just doesn't interest me enough to really get involved.
It was that bunk about the LS430's sales and what it sold for which didn't make it a HELM IMO and I still stand by that belief. Now the car itself was a cut above the E/5/GS/A6 class in terms of space/luxury though it wasn't nearly as sporty, but it wasn't supposed to be. Maybe that is what I "gave" some on, the LS430 being a HELM by specification?
Oct 24, 2006 (9:30 pm)
I make mistakes often, and I admit that quite freely. But I honest did not make mistake on this one. If you don't believe me, go back a few posts and see that it would simply make no sense if I were talking about CLK instead CL. Once a person knows what the K stands for in German, like I do, there's no reason to make mistake or confuse the two. The problem with MB marketting is that they assume all the non-German speakers would bother to learn the German word; otherwise it makes absolutely no sense, the longer name stands for a shorter car
#20428 of 24723 Re: opinion [merc1]
Oct 24, 2006 (9:32 pm)
This debate about whether or not a E is a HELM just doesn't interest me enough to really get involved.
It's pretty much extinguished itself by now. Too bad you weren't into it. Many were, and it was interesting, IMO.
It was that bunk about the LS430's sales and what it sold for which didn't make it a HELM IMO and I still stand by that belief
the LS430 being a HELM by specification?
Thanks for the clarity on that one.
#20431 of 24723 Mercedes GL is Motor Trend SUV of the year
Oct 24, 2006 (9:35 pm)
I could have easily picked that one myself.
I'll take mine with the BlueTec diesel, please.
#20432 of 24723 Two New Reviews LS460
Oct 25, 2006 (5:33 am)
Recent reviews from Automobile Magazine and Road and Track are both positive.
Automobile: "The new LS460 is not just the peer of the leading trio (BMW 7 Series, Mercedes Benz S-Class, Audi A8), it provides a new benchmark for the category."
Road and Track: "The best LS yet. A sleek, supremely appointed. luxuriously outfitted freeway flier."
They qualify that, however, with it "is not a numbers car."
In other words, you do much of your driving in a straight line and you want to do it in style, have we got the car for you.
On my monthly perusal of the Lexus LS460 threads, seems like a lot of unhappy campers complaining about lack of rear seat legroom and a poor left foot driver's foot well.
One guy got so incensed, he plans to measure the latter area with a tape measure!
One thing BMW really does great: the left foot driver's foot well. Always enough room and perfectly placed.
#20433 of 24723 Re: E class [tagman]
Oct 25, 2006 (6:40 am)
Cool. I was waiting for someone to suggest the "other" Mercedes. For me, without the E, the next one is easy . . . the CLS!!!!!
I mentioned the CLS like two days ago!
Quoting myself: "Now if you wanted the CLS on this board, that would be a little more reasonable. Its not quite S-class level, but its definitely above the mid-lux E, 5, A6, M, GS, RL, STS, S80, S-type class. The Audi A7 and BMW 650 could also be included."
#20434 of 24723 Re: Taste of Lexus [syswei]
Oct 25, 2006 (6:45 am)
There are still equipment differences, for instance AVS and VGRS on the 450h, not available on the 350.
I'll take a 400lb. lighter car over one with a "sport" suspension setting. The Lexus version of active body control might make the 450h feel a bit less like the overweight porker it is, but thats going to take it up to a cool $65K.
Why would anyone pay extra for active steering? $10K extra? For that?
#20435 of 24723 Re: Taste of Lexus [lexusguy]
Oct 25, 2006 (6:59 am)
I'm not saying a GS450h or even LS600hL is for me, with trunk space being the leading reason in my case.
But when I see big (like 10k) numbers being tossed about as an alleged "hybrid premium" I just like to try to set the record straight.