Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#20096 of 24723 Re: So, How Come.... [brightness04]
Oct 19, 2006 (10:11 am)
"CR also gives red circle to Lexus."
Not entirely true:
If you look at CR April 2006, you will find a perfect 4 out of 4 BMW vehicles rated excellent for depreciation. Three weren't rated because they were either new models or not enough data were collected.
For Lexus vehicles, 4 vehicles were rated excellent, 3 were rated very good (includes the LS) and one wasn't rated because it was a new model (IS).
#20097 of 24723 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04]
Oct 19, 2006 (10:15 am)
I do agree that LS460L may not be much of a price bargain.
That's good. We're closing the gap here.
And the difference between that larger-than-expected fully-equipped LS460L price and an S-Class is the point here.
You were saying that the S-Class price is inflated. I'll close the gap a bit with you myself by saying that I think Mercedes could benefit by lowering the price slightly, because I have posted that opinion in the past.
But, for the most part, I believe that the S-Class delivers more than enough of a return for its price.
#20098 of 24723 Re: So, How Come.... [hpowders]
Oct 19, 2006 (10:19 am)
What's the rating on the 7 series? and what are the criteria for "excellent" vs. "very good"?
Oct 19, 2006 (10:23 am)
Value is inherently subjective (that's why we have a market of so many different cars It would be rather boring if everyone has the exact same taste. That being said, I was pointing out how much the average buyers of S and LS are really paying for their cars. Presumably, the fact that they are shelling out the money means the car is worth that much to them. In that analysis, it's helpful to keep out all the fluff numbers that people were not actually paying.
#20101 of 24723 Worst-looking SUV could come from Lamborghini
Oct 19, 2006 (10:35 am)
Just take a peak and you'll understand how bad an SUV could look. Since it's a Lambo, I'll post it here.
#20103 of 24723 Re: Worst-looking SUV could come from Lamborghini [tagman]
Oct 19, 2006 (11:47 am)
Why bother? In fact the ugliest SUV I've ever seen is a picture of a potential Bentley SUV.
Lambos certainly look better as sports cars.
#20105 of 24723 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04]
Oct 19, 2006 (1:43 pm)
you don't believe Edmunds, check out KBB yourself.
Yes I checked KBB and guess what?
KBB has consistently for many years selected BMW as the number one brand for resale values . At least those figures can be confirmed and are widely publicized versus those supposed personal auction stories of yours about very dirt-low prices for BMWs and Benzes.
In fact if I preferred Jaguars instead of BMWs then I would save my money and buy a used Jaguar instead of a new one. Oh yes and KBB does confirm the low resale values of Jags.