High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#20056 of 24700 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [hpowders] by brightness04 Oct 18, 2006 (3:28 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 18, 2006 11:41 am) IMHO, it's not Lexus artificially keeping residuals low, but the Europeans artificially inflating the residuals. I don't know of anyone who keeps their BMW's or MB's at the end of a lease (aside from those being forced into it due to mileage penalty otherwise). Replies to this message: houdini1 (Oct 18, 2006 3:47 pm) tagman (Oct 18, 2006 4:30 pm) brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 6:32 pm) and 47 more...
#20057 of 24700 Re: BlkHemi [blkhemi] by houdini1 Oct 18, 2006 (3:38 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 18, 2006 2:53 pm) The good doctor gave his source and I notice that you neglected to do so. Please post your source if you want to be credible.
#20058 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [blkhemi] by houdini1 Oct 18, 2006 (3:43 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 18, 2006 2:59 pm) You took your gloves off just to throw cream pies? Puleeaasssee. That rhetoric jibber-jabber doesn't even deserve a come back.
#20059 of 24700 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04] by houdini1 Oct 18, 2006 (3:47 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 3:28 pm) I couldn't agree more. It's the same thing with the pricing. The LS pricing is right on but people buying the "prestige" of some of the European makes are simply paying too much. Talk about paying for the "sizzle". Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 18, 2006 4:30 pm) brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 6:32 pm) dewey (Oct 18, 2006 7:17 pm) and 42 more... tagman (Oct 18, 2006 7:58 pm) and 3 more...
#20060 of 24700 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [houdini1] by tagman Oct 18, 2006 (4:30 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 18, 2006 3:47 pm) The LS pricing is right on but people buying the "prestige" of some of the European makes are simply paying too much. Talk about paying for the "sizzle". Paying for Sizzle? Don't forget, houdini1, that Mercedes Filet Mignon is supposed to cost more than Lexus Tri-Tip. BTW, now that the pricing is out, go ahead and price out a loaded LS460L against an S-Class and see just how much difference there is. TagMan Replies to this message: brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 6:32 pm) dewey (Oct 18, 2006 7:17 pm) brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 7:52 pm) and 41 more... tagman (Oct 18, 2006 7:58 pm) brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 8:03 pm) and 2 more...
#20061 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [blkhemi] by designman Oct 18, 2006 (4:49 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 18, 2006 2:59 pm) Furthermore, how is being the most selling car in it's class being exclusive? Just because it's not in other countries, doesn't mean it's more valuable than the Taj Mahal! Oh, and newsflash, the car is sold in other countries, Japan for one, but it flunks miserably there. I guess it's not exclusive enough..... Ooh that was good. I could not have said it better myself!
#20062 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [blkhemi] by tagman Oct 18, 2006 (5:19 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 18, 2006 2:59 pm) blkhemi - I think houdini1 already knows that his "exclusive" remark was not one of his best posts. He said it as bait. I answered him in post 20021 and in his next post 20022 he sort of threw in the towel on the remark. If you need to do so, check out those posts. So, in my opinion, we can let him off the hook regarding his "exclusive" remark . . . he knows it wasn't one of his better posts and I expect he'll be making quality posts here again soon. TagMan Replies to this message: houdini1 (Oct 18, 2006 6:48 pm)
#20063 of 24700 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [tagman] by brightness04 Oct 18, 2006 (6:32 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2006 4:30 pm) Having a higher price tag does not necessarily mean costing more or worth more. If a car has an MSRP of $100k, is usually leased with a 3-yr residual of $60k, but can never fetch more than $40k at auction after the lessee returns the car after 3-yrs . . . how much is the car really worth to begin with? It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I mean, how much is a $50 Filet Mignon really worth if it comes with a $20 gift certificate or a second meal of equal or less value with every serving? Replies to this message: dewey (Oct 18, 2006 7:17 pm) brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 7:52 pm) dewey (Oct 19, 2006 5:45 am) and 39 more... tagman (Oct 18, 2006 7:58 pm) brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 8:03 pm) tagman (Oct 18, 2006 8:32 pm) and 1 more...
#20064 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [tagman] by houdini1 Oct 18, 2006 (6:48 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2006 5:19 pm) Let me off the hook? What is that? I thought I was letting you guys off the hook. And when I say exclusive, I mean exclusive. One of my more clever remarks. Looks like we are going to game 7.
#20065 of 24700 Drivetrain Experimentation by dewey Oct 18, 2006 (7:02 pm)
I know how much Lexus hybrid efforts have been ridiculed in this forum especially in the form of the GS450H but believe it or not a dedicated Mercedes man who happens to be the head of research at DaimlerChryselr is completely impressed and overwhelmed by the Lexus GS450H. STUTTGART Every couple of months, Thomas Weber, head of research for DaimlerChrysler, gets behind the wheel of one of his own cars, or that of one of his competitors, and drives through the mountainous terrain of Europe or on long stretches in the United States. While taking a spin this year, the lifelong Mercedes man found himself impressed with a novelty on the European market: Toyota Motor's new Lexus GS 450H, the world's first luxury car that incorporates an electric hybrid motor but still performs for a demanding driver like Weber. Based on the Herald Tribune article I linked below it certainly does seem that Mercedes, Audi and BMW are very serious about hybrids. Diesels are not going to be their sole pursuit in terms of fuel efficiency. So I guess we are going to see a lot of future drivetrain experimentation for the three German marques. There will likely be many models offering both diesel and hybrid drivetrains simultaneously. A Audi Q7 diesel sold simultaneously with a Q7 hybrid, a diesel MB S sold side by side with a hybrid MB S or hybrid diesel MB S and so on and so on..... SOURCE: HERALD TRIBUNE