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24697 messages,  Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Merc [merc1] by dewey
Oct 18, 2006 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 17, 2006 10:08 pm)

The S600 has never been beaten by anything, not the Rolls Phantom, BMW 760Li or anything else.
 
Definitely I cant think of a more worthy car than the new MB S600 in being crowned the benchmark HELM sedan.
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Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04] by dewey
Oct 18, 2006 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 8:41 am)

You are the only person I know who thinks BMW invented the lease deal
 
There are some pretty good discount deals on Lexuses. But that does not make Lexus the inventor of good discount deals.
 
REALITY: Most luxury models especially when they're dated have good lease or discount deals. (BMW or non-BMWs)
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Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04] by dewey
Oct 18, 2006 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 8:41 am)

That's the problem with anecdotal positive experience
 
My anecdotal evidience is backed up by Consumers Report. BMWs overall are not horrible lemons as you are trying to imply. Dont mix up your past BMWs with the general population of BMWs.
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Knuckleheaded Audi Ad by dewey
Oct 18, 2006 (9:28 am)
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No offense to you Audi fans but this has to be one of the most knuckleheaded ads I've ever seen:
 
http://www.knucklehead.uk.com/html/player.php?id=100
 
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Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04] by hpowders
Oct 18, 2006 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 8:31 am)

Those kind of worries are a thing of the past with most BMW models.
BMW's quality has noticeably improved over the last several years.
The only BMW car that CR doesn't have at average reliability or better at this time is the BMW 7 Series.
 
I drive a lot and I can't remember over the last, say 3 years, seeing any vehicle stuck on the side of any road. The average reliability of all vehicles is extraordinary compared to about 10 years ago. The only ones over there are usually those fire engine red sedans being checked out by ol' smokey and his "money pad."
 
Leasing works for me not only because I avoid potential maintenance headaches, but also because I enjoy driving a new vehicle as often as I can. I love cars, but because I am not Jerry Seinfeld or Reggie Jackson, both of whom have many cars, I can at least change the one I do have every couple of years.
 
Maybe the one year lease will be created just for me. I would pounce on that!
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Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [dewey] by hpowders
Oct 18, 2006 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 18, 2006 8:48 am)

I don't know, Dewey. I have never seen a good leasing deal on a Lexus from Lexus. They keep the residuals frustratingly low.
Even some Lexus salespeople direct their customers to leasing companies or banks outside of Lexus that offer better leasing deals than Lexus does.
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Re: This thing about the Audi image [lexusguy] by hpowders
Oct 18, 2006 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 18, 2006 12:57 am)

The Q45 may just well be the most exclusive vehicle ever made!
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Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [hpowders] by dewey
Oct 18, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 18, 2006 10:31 am)

You can get some pretty darn good purchase deals on various Lexuses at least in my neighborhood.
BMW is better with lease deals while Lexus is better with purchase deals.
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Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [dewey] by hpowders
Oct 18, 2006 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 18, 2006 11:29 am)

I agree with you that Lexus gives you better deals if you buy rather than lease.
I wasn't talking about Lexus purchase deals.
They discourage leasing through their artificially low residuals.
If I ever decide to change my behavior one day and actually purchase for the long term (5-10 years), it would probably be a Lexus vehicle like the LS. But not at this time.

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