High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#20028 of 24697 Re: This thing about the Audi image [dewey] by merc1 Oct 17, 2006 (10:29 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Oct 17, 2006 10:59 am) Ok Dewey you got off another good one. Lets just face it, no other luxury brand provides the spread of product that Mercedes and BMW does. Arguably Mercedes offers too much for their own good as they seem to have every imaginable niche plugged with something. BMW is right behind them, but they still lack a true CL, SL, GL competitors. Mercedes on the other hand will build a X3 competitor in 2008 and so it goes on and on between the two of them. Audi and Lexus are getting closer to being full lineup providers or plan to, but Acura and Infiniti won't be there for years and years, if they're even planning to do so. M
#20029 of 24697 Re: I'm Hoping... [hpowders] by merc1 Oct 17, 2006 (10:32 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 17, 2006 3:43 pm) I'm hoping that the new LS 460 seats are a lot better than the ones I tried in my two 2005 LS 430 test drives. IMO they are. The old LS430's seats were like sitting on a padded park bench, good leather but absolutely no support. M Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 18, 2006 7:16 am)
#20030 of 24697 Re: This thing about the Audi image [tagman] by merc1 Oct 17, 2006 (10:35 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 6:32 pm) Limited regional success is now exclusivity? You are really reaching! Gotta give ya credit for that. But be realistic . . . Don't you just love it when slow sales are called "exclusivity""? M Replies to this message: lexusguy (Oct 18, 2006 12:57 am) hpowders (Oct 18, 2006 10:37 am)
#20031 of 24697 Re: This thing about the Audi image [merc1] by lexusguy Oct 18, 2006 (12:57 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 17, 2006 10:35 pm) Don't you just love it when slow sales are called "exclusivity""? That makes the Q45 one of the most exclusive luxury cars in the world. Somebody call Infiniti! Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 18, 2006 10:37 am)
#20032 of 24697 BlkHemi by drfill Oct 18, 2006 (4:10 am)
Audi's sell poor here? And the line is forming for 2 years for these demented, unreliable, unusable, failures of cars? That's interesting that you say that as the A4 is still outselling the IS, the car that was supposed to be the dominator in this class. Cheap prices can't get you out of this one. And now for the facts (through Sep. 2006): G35 Sedan US sales in 2006: 26,802 Audi A/S4 US sales in 2006: 28,167 Lexus IS US sales in 2006: 41,666 BMW 325i/325xi/330i US Sales in 2006: 60,724 So the IS sedan not only outsells the cheaper A4, easily, it also outsells vaunted G35 sedan! Now back to your regularly scheduled postings, soon to be corrected, in the Passionate Pursuit of Perfection. Source: Autochannel DrFill Replies to this message: suvguy2005 (Oct 18, 2006 6:11 am) dewey (Oct 18, 2006 8:31 am) blkhemi (Oct 18, 2006 2:53 pm) houdini1 (Oct 18, 2006 3:38 pm) lexusguy (Oct 18, 2006 7:39 pm)
#20033 of 24697 Merc by drfill Oct 18, 2006 (4:40 am)
You're falling on your own sword here Doc. Not really. The GL is excellent! I forgot about that one, but I wasn't counting AMG cars, as that's a very small class to beat for comparison. What are they, in a class of two? The 3.5 in the GS will boost sales enough to stay ahead of the M, even though it's dynamics are more pleasant than fierce. Not sure where I "copped out", but you seem to have made my point for me. The LS430 is the most unlikely of enthusiast's magazine champions, but it's inherent excellence wins out in the end. You seem to be under the impression that I said somewhere that every Lexus is better than every Mercedes, which is an error on your part. Unless you have evidence to the contrary? DrFill Replies to this message: merc1 (Oct 18, 2006 4:48 am)
#20034 of 24697 Re: Merc [drfill] by merc1 Oct 18, 2006 (4:48 am)
Replying to: drfill (Oct 18, 2006 4:40 am) I forgot about that one, but I wasn't counting AMG cars, as that's a very small class to beat for comparison. What are they, in a class of two? Nope, there are Maseratis, Aston-Martins, Motorsport BMWs, S/RS Audis and R Jaguars to contend with. Now if you're going to say that some comparos count and others don't then.... AMGs are Mercedes too. Not sure where I "copped out", but you seem to have made my point for me. The LS430 is the most unlikely of enthusiast's magazine champions, but it's inherent excellence wins out in the end. No your point hasn't been made, nor did you really have one. You gave an excuse about certain Lexuses not being made for journalists or enthusiast and that being why certain Lexus models never win comparos, like the SC430. I said that this notion is disproven a thousand times over if Lexus' dullest, most boring car (the LS430) can win comparos in the eyes of these very same journalist. The fact that Lexus' dullest car wins while their more exciting ones don't shoots down any point you could have even tried to make about comparos. Like I said before you go back and forth from comparos to sales to make a point, one minute comparos are the most important thing and the next they aren't. Reverting back to how good the car is a change of argument mid-stream doc. M
#20035 of 24697 Vehicle Sales by suvguy2005 Oct 18, 2006 (6:11 am)
Replying to: drfill (Oct 18, 2006 4:10 am) "So the IS sedan not only outsells the cheaper A4, easily, it also outsells vaunted G35 sedan!" A quote from the Edmunds review of the 2007 G35. "Last year, Infiniti sold 121,000 vehicles, 55,000 of which wore the G35 badge." Automotive News used to allow non subscribers to view the sales charts but no longer does so I can't check it. Before they cut off access I looked it up and the G35 was second in sales only to the BMW 3-series. California makes up about half of BMW's sales. The G35 out sells the BMW in the rest of the country. Replies to this message: dewey (Oct 18, 2006 8:31 am)
#20036 of 24697 Re: I'm Hoping... [merc1] by hpowders Oct 18, 2006 (7:16 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 17, 2006 10:32 pm) Good to hear. My back will appreciate it.
#20037 of 24697 Re: Lexus Quality Slipping [brightness04] by dewey Oct 18, 2006 (8:25 am)
Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 17, 2006 5:41 pm) see. Then your earlier statement of "owning for 13 years" without any problem was just wee bit misleading I've owned a single BMW323i for 8 years. A great car that had spared me a lot of heartbreak in terms of its low maintenance costs after warranty. Am I the single happy long-term BMW owner in this universe? Nope! I know other BMW owners personally and my experience is confirmed by various reliability surveys. Overall BMWs reliability is not stellar but they are certainly not below average. BTW, with the heavily subsidized lease deals on BMW's nowadays, BMW or MB does not monopolize the industry for good lease deals or discounts. I can assure you there are plenty of individuals that got great lease/discount deals at various Japanese luxury dealerships. When the new BMW 7 series will be introduced you are going to have a heck of a time in terms of getting a good lease deal. At intro the days that a 7 series will sit at dealers lots will be very low in fact probably lower than what is currently observed with the new 335i: The average 335i spends a mere eight days on a dealer's lot before selling, according to the Power Information Network The only rival model that's anywhere close is the Lexus IS 350, which spends an average of 20 days on the lot before selling. The quote above is from a somewhat positive review of the BMW335i which is linked below: BUSINESSWEEK Replies to this message: brightness04 (Oct 18, 2006 8:41 am) dewey (Oct 18, 2006 8:48 am) hpowders (Oct 18, 2006 10:31 am) and 54 more... dewey (Oct 18, 2006 9:05 am)