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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 17, 2006 5:43 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 17, 2006 6:00 pm) |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 17, 2006 6:14 pm) A lot can go wrong in 3 years with a vehicle. 3 BMW's. 3 leases. No trouble. Some of you folks seem to think BMW's have meltdowns as soon as they leave the dealer. I also mentioned that I would never own a BMW for the long-term, meaning out of warranty (5 years). If you go back and read post #19896 and if I recall, post #19898 as well. It's all in there.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 29, 2006 2:18 pm) Limited regional success is now exclusivity? You are really reaching! Gotta give ya credit for that. But be realistic . . . Lexus would LOVE to do better in Europe and elsewhere, and you know it. And you know they will be trying much harder to achieve some headway there. They simply haven't had the right ingredients so far. A lack of a diesel is just a part of Lexus' deficiency, and I've read many a post always blaming the lack of a diesel. That's a no-brainer. It's deeper than that. But, yes you are right that Lexus does very well in the good 'ol USA. But keep in mind that the rest of the world clearly makes a different choice. It makes good sense to consider the entire global picture, IMO. Otherwise we'd be hearing scientists telling us about USA-warming instead of global-warming. Sometimes it is good to see the whole picture . . . it doesn't get bigger than that. TagMan |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 6:32 pm) I am hereby resolving to clean my act up and cut back on some of my "spiteful" posts. I sure don't want to see this forum end up as "read only".
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 17, 2006 6:48 pm) I think you have a lot of company. Me included. Statistics already indicate a higher growth rate for diesels than hybrids . . . and the really good products haven't even showed up yet. The best is yet to come . . . and fortunately will be coming soon. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 8:48 pm) The NYT tested the E320 CDI, and raved about it. It actually beat its EPA estimates in real world conditions. A hybrid has never, never, never beaten its EPA estimates. The inconvenient truth for hybrid owners is that the 30 year old EPA testing methods give hybrids an artificial boost that will never be achievable for anyone that uses more than a big toe on the gas pedal. Diesels are obviously not the final solution to end dependence on fossil fuels, but they are a much better interim solution than 400lbs. of batteries. |
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Replying to: unknown (Oct 16, 2006 5:00 am) Not true, it varies a great deal Doc. The E320 won a comparo when it was first released and various AMG cars have one comparos too. The CLK55 beat the 645Ci and Maser Coupe at C&D and the GL450 just polished off a bunch of new rivals. The S600 has never been beaten by anything, not the Rolls Phantom, BMW 760Li or anything else. So you see Doc your statement about MBs "never" being comparo winners isn't true at all. Not even close to being true. You've got to look at their whole range of car, not just the previous S430, E430, and C-Class losses. Secondly this was not about whether or not "Mercedes" cared about the comparos this was about your use of comparos to prop up Lexus being "better" and choosing to forget about them the next when we talk about any other Lexus other than the LS430. The same is probably true for Lexus. You don't want to be a bottom-feeder, in either case. But what would you rather be good at? I'm sure they don't build cars to please journalists. This is an excuse, a cop out doc. The LS430 isn't built for enthusiasts or journalists, C&D even admitted as much and yet it has still wins more often than not. The SC430 on the other hand is bottom feeder as far as comparos go. The M35/45 has put a nice string together, and can't outsell the beleaugered GS! Careful here doc because when/if it does (it has during certain months) that will make it vastly superior to the GS by your logic because the M already has the comparos on its side while the GS has gone back to lagging the pack again. You're falling on your own sword here Doc. M
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 16, 2006 7:58 am) No the last words on the above paragraph are not there in error. In the past Audi has never tried to out-Bling their more ostentatious and conventional competitors like BMW, MB and Lexus. In fact Audi's understated image is one reason why I think Audis are far more successful overseas. People living beyond our shores are less concerned about image than us North Americans. (MB sold luxury for decades in Europe while every street there is covered with MB taxis). Just imagine what would happen to MB and Lexus sales if every other taxi is a Benz or Lexus in North America? Bingo! M |
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