High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19975 of 24700 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [maxhonda99] by tagman Oct 16, 2006 (5:25 pm)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 16, 2006 5:16 pm) Toyota hasn't learned this yet. For Lexus to succeed they need broad engine varieties as well as broad price variations in Europe and a Diesel for every car line is a must. Something they seem to refuse to do as Hybrids just aren't going to cut it in Europe. Imagine that! Europeans appreciate diesel engines. Tell us more we don't know. TagMan
#19976 of 24700 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [maxhonda99] by lexusguy Oct 16, 2006 (8:10 pm)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 16, 2006 5:16 pm) The other big factor is the European market demands loads of variations such as probably a half dozen plus different engines in the C-class, Toyota hasn't learned this yet. For Lexus to succeed they need broad engine varieties as well as broad price variations in Europe and a Diesel for every car line is a must. I think they are working on it, but that kind of thing is going to take at least 10 years to implement. 10 years ago, the only Lexus that offered any kind of variety was the SC coupe, which had two engine choices and offered a 5-speed manual for a few years. Today there is a lot more choice (especially if you include the '07 LS), but they still have a long way to go to match the kind of variety that BMW, Mercedes and Audi have.
#19977 of 24700 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [maxhonda99] by hpowders Oct 17, 2006 (5:12 am)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 16, 2006 4:54 pm) Umm....I never said anything about turning any tail lights 180 degrees. Go back and read post #19915. Please don't launch a diatribe addressed to me about stuff I didn't post. Save the sarcastic "genius" and "stupid reason" for him. However, I do enthusiastically agree with that poster's words and whole-heartedly endorse them. Just didn't say 'em. Guess that makes me a stupid genius in-training! What I did say is there is a little too much resemblance among the rears of the Camry, Avalon, ES and LS. Lexus should make its designs more distinctive from Toyotas. Whether you happen to like it or not, it is a valid complaint, and it puzzles me that anyone would disagree with that. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 7:31 am) dewey (Oct 17, 2006 7:36 am)
#19978 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [brightness04] by dewey Oct 17, 2006 (7:31 am)
Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 16, 2006 5:03 pm) Your observations of Europe are interesting. They remind me of my childhood days when I used to visit my family there. But now when I visit many family members they live in the outskirts, shop in far away big box stores and have to travel on the highways to get to work. In otherwords their European lifestyle is beginning to resemble the lifestyle of many North Americans. Ironically my European relatives view my lifestyle in midtown/downtown Toronto with nostalgia since I walk both to work and to nearby shops, theatres and restaurants. Regarding your Audi views I beg to differ. Today's Audi is not like yesterday's Audi. Today there is only the A3 that shares a platform with VW. All other Audis are distinct and unique in their chassises and in most cases their drivetrains. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 7:37 am) brightness04 (Oct 17, 2006 1:12 pm)
#19979 of 24700 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [hpowders] by tagman Oct 17, 2006 (7:31 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 17, 2006 5:12 am) Umm....I never said anything about turning any tail lights 180 degrees. Go back and read post #19915. Please don't launch a diatribe addressed to me about stuff I didn't post. Save the sarcastic "genius" and "stupid reason" for him. However, I do enthusiastically agree with that poster's words and whole-heartedly endorse them. Just didn't say 'em. Guess that makes me a stupid genius in-training! What I did say is there is a little too much resemblance among the rears of the Camry, Avalon, ES and LS. Lexus should make its designs more distinctive from Toyotas. Whether you happen to like it or not, it is a valid complaint, and it puzzles me that anyone would disagree with that. Well, it's a good morning. The first thing I see is that you and I are on the same page with this. Good post. And it's good to see you stick to your guns. TagMan Replies to this message: dewey (Oct 17, 2006 7:36 am)
#19980 of 24700 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [tagman] by dewey Oct 17, 2006 (7:36 am)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 7:31 am) Tagman, overall the resemblance of the ES and LS to the Camry is undeniable. It is not a question of being an Einstein or being a village idiot to figure that one out. I agree one hundred percent with your observations.
#19981 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [dewey] by tagman Oct 17, 2006 (7:37 am)
Replying to: dewey (Oct 17, 2006 7:31 am) Regarding your Audi views I beg to differ. Today's Audi is not yesterday's Audi. Today there is only the A3 that shares a platform with VW. All other Audis are distinct and unique in their chassises and in most cases their drivetrains. I think you are right about this, but the recent "Audi" grill being used by VW seems to have caused a perception that there is more in common between Audi and VW than there actually is. BTW, interesting stuff about your lifestyle. TagMan
#19982 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [reality2] by dewey Oct 17, 2006 (7:39 am)
Replying to: reality2 (Oct 16, 2006 11:42 am) Sorry Dewey, but I cannot see the "luxury" in BMW Personally I wish I could not see the luxury in BMW myself. I would prefer BMW just to focus on performance cars without entertainment electronic gizmos and without an interior that resembles my grandfather's library. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 17, 2006 7:50 am) mariner7 (Oct 17, 2006 9:58 am) dewey (Oct 17, 2006 10:59 am) and 8 more... reality2 (Oct 17, 2006 11:30 am) blkhemi (Oct 17, 2006 3:21 pm) and 17 more...
#19983 of 24700 Re: This thing about the Audi image [dewey] by tagman Oct 17, 2006 (7:50 am)
Replying to: dewey (Oct 17, 2006 7:39 am) Good point. The dilemma here is that Lexus is now so overflowing with luxurious appointments, that it has essentially become a Vegas car. Overstuffed with glitzy, plush, bells & whistles to the point that some don't even see the luxury in other cars that are in fact luxurious, but thankfully not to the point of such overkill. TagMan Replies to this message: mariner7 (Oct 17, 2006 9:58 am) dewey (Oct 17, 2006 10:59 am) designman (Oct 17, 2006 11:30 am) lexusguy (Oct 17, 2006 11:40 am) starman98 (Oct 17, 2006 3:50 pm) and 4 more... merc1 (Oct 17, 2006 10:29 pm) reality2 (Oct 17, 2006 11:30 am) blkhemi (Oct 17, 2006 3:21 pm) houdini1 (Oct 17, 2006 4:02 pm) and 16 more...
#19984 of 24700 Was Riding My Bike... by hpowders Oct 17, 2006 (9:09 am)
this morning and about 150 feet away saw a vehicle from the front and thought to myself, here is the new ES which I saw photos of and plan on driving at the Taste of Lexus. As I approached, I noticed the Toyota emblem. It was a Camry! This may be great for Toyota, not so good for Lexus.