High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19927 of 24697 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [tagman] by hpowders Oct 15, 2006 (5:59 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 3:15 pm) About the tail lights: You don't have to be a design genius to see the rear resemblances among the Camry, Avalon ES and LS. IMO,Lexus must break away once and for all from all this obvious Toyota-sharing and come up with their own unique innovative designs, drive trains, etc; No Lexus should even remotely resemble a Toyota. Sure, the vehicles will cost more, but when people start seeing that Lexus is independent and not just an obvious extension of Toyota, the Lexus brand will earn itself more respect and people would be willing to pay a bit more. Replies to this message: brightness04 (Oct 15, 2006 7:49 pm) maxhonda99 (Oct 16, 2006 4:54 pm) houdini1 (Oct 16, 2006 5:06 pm) maxhonda99 (Oct 16, 2006 5:16 pm) and 2 more... hpowders (Oct 17, 2006 5:12 am) tagman (Oct 17, 2006 7:31 am) and 1 more...
#19928 of 24697 Re: more blah blah [tagman] by houdini1 Oct 15, 2006 (6:02 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 5:48 pm) So, if we follow your argument as to how great the new ES 350 is then we could logically assume that you would also pick this supercar over the entry level lowly 5 series or the dreadful E class. Glad to see you are finally coming around. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 6:23 pm) houdini1 (Oct 15, 2006 6:47 pm) tagman (Oct 15, 2006 6:49 pm) brightness04 (Oct 15, 2006 7:36 pm) tagman (Oct 15, 2006 8:33 pm) and 5 more...
#19929 of 24697 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [tagman] by dewey Oct 15, 2006 (6:06 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 5:55 pm) My friend, a LOT will happen in that amount of time. These coming years will offer more changes than in the entire history of the automobile! Being a spectator will be very good! A 2013 fuel cell Honda? An 2013 electircal Prius? A 2013 Electronic Chauffeur-Shiatsu Massager Lexus LS750 with no steering wheel A 2013 450HP gas guzzling BMW performance sedan? Hmmm, my vow is already beginning to look vulnerable.
#19930 of 24697 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [dewey] by hpowders Oct 15, 2006 (6:07 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Oct 15, 2006 5:50 pm) Well, I took the same vow you did with just a few word changes to make it a legal oath in the USA. At the beginning of 2005, I drove the GS300, GS430, M35, and M45. I liked the GS300 best of that bunch, only it tended to lurch forward with the slightest touch of the gas pedal, its cabin was cramped and the trunk bordered on laughable. I next tried the 330i and the 545i and I knew I had to have the 545i. I always search for a BMW beater, but have not found it in my price range.
#19931 of 24697 Re: more blah blah [houdini1] by tagman Oct 15, 2006 (6:23 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 15, 2006 6:02 pm) So, if we follow your argument as to how great the new ES 350 is then we could logically assume that you would also pick this supercar over the entry level lowly 5 series or the dreadful E class A rhetorical post . . . and no logic at all! Read my post! I said that the ES gets extra luxury by giving up costly performance attributes because Lexus buyers don't care about those things. So, your idea of a 5-Series buyer giving up on performance is . . . well . . . pure baloney. To say it kindly, it just ain't gonna happen. Just ask any 5-Series owner. Performance, not luxo, is what it's about. TagMan Replies to this message: houdini1 (Oct 15, 2006 6:47 pm) tagman (Oct 15, 2006 6:49 pm) brightness04 (Oct 15, 2006 7:36 pm) tagman (Oct 15, 2006 8:33 pm) brightness04 (Oct 16, 2006 6:12 am) and 4 more...
#19932 of 24697 Thought I’d check in… by designman Oct 15, 2006 (6:25 pm)
Has this place gone nuts? Let me guess... we’re on the verge of coming to a consensus on what the best brand is? Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 6:48 pm)
#19933 of 24697 Re: more blah blah [tagman] by houdini1 Oct 15, 2006 (6:47 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 6:23 pm) Some of us are just better fishermen than others. Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 6:49 pm)
#19934 of 24697 Re: Thought I’d check in… [designman] by tagman Oct 15, 2006 (6:48 pm)
Replying to: designman (Oct 15, 2006 6:25 pm) Let me guess... we’re on the verge of coming to a consensus on what the best brand is? Ever since I posted that infamous BusinessWeek article . . . the best brand is . . . BMW? TagMan
#19935 of 24697 Re: more blah blah [houdini1] by tagman Oct 15, 2006 (6:49 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 15, 2006 6:47 pm) touche! TagMan
#19936 of 24697 Re: Strategic Vision Survey [hpowders] by brightness04 Oct 15, 2006 (6:52 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 5:48 pm) That's why I mentioned the price for E and 5 were around $40-45k at the time. Auomotive price inflation has been relatively subdued in the last decade and half (average price may have gone up, but the size and content have gone up signficantly at the same time). Lexus has simply moved up market, significantly.