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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 2:45 pm) Duh, the same can be said about just about EVERY luxury brand. If the E-class provides basically the same luxury as the LS for half the price, the same can be said of the C-class vs. the S-class. You don't realize the LS offers much more features just like the S-class offers much more features over the ES and C-class respectively. Or how about a A4 vs. a A8, or a 3-series vs. a 7-series. This is the king of the lamest comparisons yet! |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 3:15 pm) Yeah okay. time for some glasses! |
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"Also, if the ES were made much nicer, it would seriously cannabalize the upper tier sales!" Uh..another good one. First and foremost, the ES is already a VERY nice car. I don't know what more you can expect for a $40K luxury car. If you made it any nicer it would be a LS for the price of a LS. Features/luxury come at a added cost. Also, if you made a 3-series nicer, it would cannabalize the upper tier sales. And if you made a C-class nicer, it would cannabalize the upper tier sales. Get the picture?
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 1:11 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 15, 2006 3:01 pm) I believe you would be more comfortable being known as Infiniti45Dewey if your doomsday scenario ever takes place. I would rather err on the side of caution and turn the BMWs over every several years. It won't be so easy on August 1, 2008. Tears will be shed for my wonderful 545. I really found out how good it can get and I urge everybody who hasn't experienced this kind of exhilaration to go to their local BMW dealer and test drive a 550i. If I concentrate on the annoying iDrive as I bring it back, I just might be able to tear myself away. I try and drive whatever is out there between $35k-$75k looking for that vehicle which can replace a BMW. Hasn't happened and probably will never happen, but I do enjoy test-driving whatever I can in that price range. As I age, I may get more into the comfort thing, so checking out Lexus models now isn't such a bad thing. |
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Replying to: drfill (Oct 15, 2006 9:17 am) I find your description of the Lexus product line and their potential for sales increases quite interesting. But let us forget sales and focus on the cars themselves. Based on some of your past posts you do sound like an enthusiast that likes sticks,a tight chassis and high performance. So my question to you is why do you like Lexus cars so much? Would you pick a IS350 over a manual BMW335i or new G35? Would you pick a ES350 over a fun driving manual Audi 2.0T Quattro? Would you pick a GS350 over a BMW530i or Infiniti M35? Would you pick a LS460L above a MB S550? Would you really pick a SC over a BMW 650 or a new MB CL? Now Dr. Fill if you can answer all my questions as honestly as possible you may begin to discover your Lexus arguments have as many holes as a slice of Swiss Cheese.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Oct 15, 2006 5:27 pm) If I wanted Lexus comfort and pampering and the horses' mouth is telling me the ES 350 is better in every way than the flagship LS was in 1990, I would be at my Lexus dealer tomorrow morning for a test drive. For value and excellence, this is a no-brainer. From some of the postings I have seen, people want the basic LS because they can't or won't spend $75k MSRP for the new LS. IMO, if your strategy is to get the basic LS, it's not worth it-the car "comes alive" with the pricey options. Instead, I would order the ES 350 fully loaded for between $45-50k MSRP. You will feel like a king with all the gizmos you could ever dream of.
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 15, 2006 4:28 pm) Well, it took quite a long while, but you finally got the point! I was starting to get concerned about you! Are you usually this slow?  And that point has been simply that the ES is quite a bargain as compared to the LS. Particularly for a Lexus buyer, who is generally willing to give up on costly performance features. So, instead of those costly performance features, and also due to the relationship to the Camry, what ends up is a vehicle that can offer a generous abundance of luxury for a modest price. TagMan
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 5:29 pm) Hasn't happened and probably will never happen, but I do enjoy test-driving whatever I can in that price range. But seriously I recently made a vow that my next car will be a non-BMW since I like change and novelty. But unfortunately I made a similar vow a few years ago and ended up buying two BMWs this year. Well at least I will have another six years to break my vow again when I search for a new car 
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 15, 2006 5:50 pm) My friend, a LOT will happen in that amount of time. These coming years will offer more changes than in the entire history of the automobile! Being a spectator will be very good! TagMan
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