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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 15, 2006 2:15 pm) I wrote above that those looking for a very comfortable luxury sedan with most of the pampering Lexus options, need not spend $75k. They can "have it all" with the ES 350 for about $30k less than the LS 460. I'm just saying that the car is not really meant for me because it probably isn't sporty enough. So what? It's Lexus' biggest selling car isn't it? Just behind the RX for total sales. If I am one of those Lexus people, after reading Lexus' admission that this car is better than the LS 400 in every way, I would be running to my Lexus dealer to check it out.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 2:34 pm) Most definately. If the current ES is now better than the previous LS, and comes in at $45K, and if it offers the level of luxury that Lexus buyers crave, then it sounds like a bargain. Especially since most Lexus buyers don't care about performance, and mostly just want a super-comfy reliable luxo-car. That should make the ES a no-brainer for lots of Lexus buyers, IMO. Those Lexus buyers wanting the "status and prestige" (LOL) of an LS will have to fork over the extra $30K+.  TagMan |
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I misunderstood the survey? What the heck is there to misunderstand? Or are you claiming Forbes is wrong? Or are you mixing up a Vision value survey with a Satisfaction survey? Apparently that seems to be the likeliest case since your results contradict the Forbes results. If you wish to discuss this further then enlighten me with the reason for this contradiction. Otherwise discussing this to the point of ad nauseum is a waste of time? Dont you think?
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 11:26 am) you are correct I do differ with your views about owning BMWs for the long term. I've owned BMWs way beyond warranty--my last BMW323i had been very reliable for almost 8 years of ownership. I sold my 323i to my niece who is currently in Stanford and she claims my 323i is still a flawless car. I have relatives, friends and acquantances who've owned BMWs longer than I have without even hearing a whimper from them. So yes I do disagree with you. If our 530xi and 335i turns out to be unreliable junk after warranty I can assure you there will be one more Lexus forum member named LexusDewey who will be boasting about the wonders and marvels of the new world wonder called the LS.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 15, 2006 2:47 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 15, 2006 3:01 pm) |
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Like the new tagline, "Advance". But aren't these ads in black & white? Seems the MDX and RDX are racing down the same path in styling. But I'm in no hurry to get thur.  I like the MDX commercial concept, doh. If it had a sexier vehicle, or was in color....... DrFill |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 2:45 pm) And you and I both know they gladly will because of the "entry-level" stigma of the ES 350 which is aggrevated by Lexus' refusal to make a much-needed sharp differentiation between the design of the ES and the Camry. It's about time that the ES has a distinctive look of its own, even if it has to cost a few more large. The outside screams Camry. The inside, luxurious Lexus. Too bad. |
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 3:06 pm) What makes me laugh is the way the "status and prestige " of the Mercedes has been scoffed at by many a Lexus buyer as though it has no value or significance, yet there are Lexus buyers that wouldn't be caught dead in the ES, and they buy the LS for exactly that "status" within the brand . . . and further, after doing so, claim that they didn't buy the Mercedes S-Class because they don't care about status. Sheesh! . . . Gimmee a break! Also, if the ES were made much nicer, it would seriously cannabalize the upper tier sales! Check this out . . . flip the Lexus ES rear tail lights 180 degrees (upside down) and then see how they so closely resemble the Camry's!!!!! TagMan |
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