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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 10:43 am) Hard to understand, especially since you also say this: I have leased 3 BMW vehicles. No reliability issues. So, if you are not basing your impressions upon personal experience, are you using your favorite Consumer Reports or something?  I've read many of your posts, especially to some of the Lexus reliability fanatics, whereby you swear by the reliability of BMW vehicles. Surely you must have faith in the reliability of the BMWs. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 11:14 am) Long term to me is anything outside of warranty-these days 5 years and out. I have no faith whatsoever in holding a BMW for some 5-10 years when I could press the iDrive controller and get a "ding dong" or "tilt" or whatever. I have also posted somewhere that if I was going to buy a vehicle and hold it for some 5-10 years, it would probably be a Lexus, not a BMW. Since I have yet to find a Lexus with the exception of the GS 300 that I find even mildly interesting, I will continue happily to lease BMWs. I have expressed this opinion several times: I have absolutely no faith in BMW reliability over the long term. Dewey, Rich545 and I have had arguments over this point in the past-they "for" and me "against." Rich545 mentioned with pride that every BMW he has driven, he has owned. He obviously has a greater tolerance for risk than I have.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 11:26 am) As I think about it, the tire-screeching, neck-snapping manner in which you drive could definately challenge a vehicle to outlast a short-term lease. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 12:52 pm) Always a pleasure! Well, I have yet to lease a vehicle where I did not have to change the tires at around 20,000 miles. One thing about BMW's-you never hear those tires squeal. I hope Lexus has some extra tires handy at the Taste because I do plan on putting some wear and tear on the LS. From autobytel.com regarding the apparently much improved 2007 ES 350: "Lexus says that the completely re-designed 2007 ES 350 is a better car in every way than the original Lexus LS 400, calling it faster, quieter and more powerful" than the original LS 400. "Just don't expect sporty handling." But, if you want a very comfortable car loaded to the gills with every conceivable option including the 14 speaker ML stereo, DVD, ventilated seats, NAV, Bluetooth, pre-collision system and a beautiful interior, for about $45k MSRP that Lexus says is better than the original LS, instead of the current equivalent LS version for about $75k, well, there you go. Looks like I will be checking out 2 cars at the Taste: the LS and ES. Should be an interesting comparison. Whether either vehicle will convert me, that is a different story. |
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 1:11 pm) Of course that's going to build up a larger appetite. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 15, 2006 1:37 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 15, 2006 8:49 am) Just because I don't post, doesn't mean I don't read. The LS460 is on the Lexus website, it says the cheapest one I can get in my area is $80K, $71K for a base LS460L plus $9K for the first option package available. Ultimately, the 1st few month's of LS460 sales will tell if people are going to fork over $80K for a LS460. I think the majority of LS460 sales will be the L version much like S-class sales used to be dominated by the longer versions when they used to make a short and long wheelbased version. The LS definately is moving closer to S-class territory, but IS almost identically priced to the BMW 745. I'm sorry, 30K is not exclusive and 40K is definately not exclusive. I'm sorry to break the news to you, but cars from Mercedes, BMW, Lexus just aren't exclusive by any means!
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 15, 2006 1:43 pm) Boy, you must have missed the point of the ES! Do you keep thinking everybody on this planet wants BMW 3-series handling?? You must of missed years of Lexus having 2 totally different sedans in the same price range...one front wheel drive and the size of a Acura TL and the other the size of a BMW 3-series and RWD!
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