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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#19767 of 24700 Re: Who is Number One? [maxhonda99] by hpowders Oct 11, 2006 (4:47 pm)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 11, 2006 4:42 pm) As far as the number itself is concerned, this is highly serious business. Driving a 5.5 seconds 0-60 mph vehicle instead of a 6 can mean the difference between being first or fourth when I line up for my government assistance check.   Of course, I park the 545 around back.
#19768 of 24700 Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [hpowders] by lexusguy Oct 11, 2006 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 11, 2006 4:45 pm) The problem is that Lexus claimed 5.5 seconds and C&D found it really should be 6.0. I have never seen a 0-60 mph time off by so much. It sure would have looked better if Lexus claimed a 6.0 and C&D found it to be 5.5!   Yeah car makers generally err on the side of being conservative. Makes sense that the magazines are willing to launch borrowed cars very hard to get the best possible 0-60 times. As for the LS460, I think something was wrong with their particular pre-production sample. Hondas across the board have lousy brakes, and usually turn in very long stopping distances. Toyotas though generally do very well. I just don't think Toyota would screw up so bad that they would make a car with 100 more horses that would be slower and brake much worse than the car it replaces. They aren't idiots. Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 12, 2006 4:45 am) maxhonda99 (Oct 12, 2006 4:51 am) hpowders (Oct 12, 2006 7:05 am)
#19769 of 24700 Life would be simpler without Diesel? by dewey Oct 11, 2006 (6:01 pm)
Dozens of cars conk out after getting diesel fuel, instead of gas, from Holbrook station   SOURCE:South of Boston The Enterprise   HOLBROOK — Tim Johnson of Abington picked his car up Monday afternoon at Dana's Automotive on South Franklin Street, happy that it was fixed and happy that he did not have to pay the bill.   His was just one of the repair bills in a stack of some 45 that will be turned over to the owner of the abutting Super Petroleum gas station, where diesel fuel was pumped into a regular-unleaded gasoline storage tank last week and ended up in the tanks of dozens of motor vehicles.   “They're taking care of it,” Johnson said. “They've been very nice about it.”   The owner of the gas station, identified in state records as Dana Watson, was not available Monday.   Carol Kinne, an employee at Dana's Automotive, which is located on the same site, said the gas mix-up occurred with a delivery at 3 a.m. Wednesday, but was not detected until Friday.   Johnson said he drove his 2000 Grand Marquis some 20 miles before it starting running rough. He had put 14 gallons of diesel fuel into his car's 18-gallon tank on Wednesday.   Kinne said other vehicles never got out of the gas station.   “They started shimmering and blowing blue smoke,” she said.   Many opted for convenience and took their vehicles into Dana's. A couple of vehicles had to be towed back to Dana's.   Before the real problem was recognized, mechanics did tune-ups or other maintenance on some of the vehicles, she said. After the gas was identified as the problem, the tanks were emptied and cleaned, along with the fuel injectors.   That should resolve any operational issues related to the diesel, she said.   The gas station owner also replaced gas to the level that was in the vehicle when it was taken in for repair, Kenne added.   Some motorists took their vehicles to other garages or dealers, according to Kenne. She said the gas station owner intends to reimburse them for any repair costs if they bring in the invoices.   A Holbrook man, who identified himself only as “Joe,” said his son had to tear down the engine of his motorcycle after filling the tank with diesel.   Kurt Doughty of Abington said he has already incurred more than $200 in repair costs since filling the tank of a 1985 Oldsmobile at Super Petroleum on Thursday and it is still not running properly.   “I'm mad,” Doughty said Monday as he prepared to meet with an attorney today.   Johnson, meanwhile, said he may have benefited in the long run.   “I saved on gas this weekend because I couldn't drive my car,” he said
#19770 of 24700 Re: Who is Number One? [ivan_99] by houdini1 Oct 11, 2006 (6:07 pm)
Replying to: ivan_99 (Oct 11, 2006 2:52 pm) The BMW's that made a showing, the 3 class and the Mini are not in the luxury category. Near luxury for the 3 and specialtly for the Mini. Sorry.
#19771 of 24700 Re: Who is Number One? [dewey] by houdini1 Oct 11, 2006 (6:09 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Oct 11, 2006 2:54 pm) As I said before, thankfully, there are so few of you that it just doesn't matter. Not a blip.
#19772 of 24700 Re: BMW, not full line??!!! [blkhemi] by houdini1 Oct 11, 2006 (6:11 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 11, 2006 3:10 pm) That is not my opinion, it was stated in the article that Dewey was bragging about and cherry picking facts from. Might help if you would take the time to read it. Being informed makes for more interesting posts.
#19773 of 24700 Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [hpowders] by maxhonda99 Oct 12, 2006 (4:44 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 11, 2006 4:45 pm) I'll wait for acceleration tests from all the magazines, unlike yourself. A pre-production car's 0-60 mean little, as do one magazine's test numbers! Besides, Motor Trend usually gets the quickest times to begin with. Next up, 5.5 or 6 seconds is soo hard to differentiate from the seat of the pants experience, that the .5 second difference is really insignificant.
#19774 of 24700 Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [lexusguy] by hpowders Oct 12, 2006 (4:45 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 11, 2006 5:34 pm) Looking forward to the LS braking and acceleration findings from Road & Track and Motor Trend. Hopefully, the C & D data were due to testing a pre-production model. Replies to this message: maxhonda99 (Oct 12, 2006 4:51 am) hpowders (Oct 12, 2006 7:05 am)
#19775 of 24700 Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [hpowders] by maxhonda99 Oct 12, 2006 (4:51 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 12, 2006 4:45 am) acceleration numbers are going to vary greatly anyway, Motor Trend might get 5.2, R&T might get 6.2, and C&D might get 5.5 with a actual test vehicle. Numbers are all over the place for every car model on this planet.   I don't see braking numbers improving all that much with a production model, except with a sport model with the stickier tires, which should move braking numbers closer to what the old LS430 did and it's competitors. Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 12, 2006 7:05 am)
#19776 of 24700 I want to buy an Audi because I saw one in I Robot by dewey Oct 12, 2006 (6:36 am)
Audi wants to raise its image by raising its prices in the luxury market. Based on the information linked below it appears Audi wants to increase their prices by using marketing that has little substance:   To improve its image, Audi is considering showcasing its cars in more product placements like it did in the science fiction movie "I, Robot."    Does Audi honestly think that Product placements in movies like iRobot are going to make Audis more desirable?   the Spring, it also held "lifestyle" events that offered test drives and featured partners such as exotic travel company Abercrombie & Kent, upscale stereo maker Bang & Olufsen, and motorcycle maker Ducati.   Does Audi honestly think that lifestyle events with exotic travel companies, Ducati and Bang and Olufson is going to make their cars more desirable?   De Nysschen and other Audi executives were in New York for the opening of an Audi Forum - a 6,400-square foot showroom on Manhattan's well-heeled Park Avenue, which de Nysschen said is one of Audi's efforts to improve its brand image. The showroom, which features an 8-foot by 6-foot high-definition video screen that meanders along the ceiling, can display up to five cars and offers passersby the opportunity to learn more about the brand.   Does Audi honestly think that gradoise and ostenatatious showrooms will increase the desirability of owning a Audi?   The desirability of Audis are dependent on their product-line It appears their marketing is focused on everything but their product-lines. IMO this new Bling approach of Audi is doomed to fail!   SOURCE: AUDI Replies to this message: syswei (Oct 12, 2006 6:56 am) tagman (Oct 12, 2006 8:03 am) dewey (Oct 12, 2006 11:36 am) hpowders (Oct 12, 2006 1:17 pm) and 4 more... blkhemi (Oct 12, 2006 1:57 pm) tagman (Oct 12, 2006 2:57 pm) reality2 (Oct 12, 2006 2:56 pm)

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