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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 10, 2006 8:49 pm) Well, Suzuki cars are awful. I don't think anyone likes them, not even owners. Half of them are actually Daewoos anyway. Suzuki would be better off just staying the motorcycle game with Kawasaki and Yamaha. Kawasaki actually has a faster bike than the Turbo Busa, they can't let that stand. |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 11, 2006 9:17 am) The ACTUAL WINNERS.....Honda first, Toyota second. Nice spin though.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 11, 2006 9:17 am) Are you aware of any JD Power survey that is similar to the Strategic Vision survey? TagMan
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 11, 2006 9:17 am) Yes. I saw that report but was too modest to announce it.  We BMW drivers are used to this praise and don't need to brag about it. You and I both know that BMW is the greatest auto manufacturer in the world. We don't really need to see it time after time in survey after survey. The only company mentioned in the same breath was the great Honda Motor Company. Yes, as I have been writing here time after time, Toyota is on the way down and Hyundai is on the way up. The big 3 in family sedans will soon be Honda, Hyundai and Toyota in decreasing rank. This is as inevitable as Road and Track finding the LS 460 doesn't brake as well as the LS 430. Let me just finally say, thank you so much Chris Bangle and the entire Bavarian gang for creating such stylish, beautiful, exciting vehicles to drive which enables every exciting Hanes Brief-twisting turn to be such an exciting thrill. BMW, your Strategic Vision victory while well-deserved, is also, entirely unsurprising.
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 11, 2006 12:24 pm) No I dont. I remember reading years ago that the Strategic Vision survey is a far more comprehensive in terms of ownership experiences than various JD Power surveys. |
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 11, 2006 1:13 pm) We BMW drivers are used to this praise and don't need to brag about it. Sometimes your modesty and humbleness can be a bit overwhelming 
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 11, 2006 12:06 pm) That is technically correct. But as far as HELM's go, the winner is BMW. The rules could also state that the manufacturer has to make robots that walk; and BMW would lose that as well, but as far as HELM's go...it shouldn't matter
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 10, 2006 4:16 am) Ah, so now the reality comes out. The article was merely disappointing to you! 0-60 is unacceptable for a sedan with a big V-8? oh ok....so does that make 5.9 acceptable? Funny!
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 11, 2006 12:06 pm) OK let me get this straight-- I am driving a car whose marque is rated the higest but does not qualify because BMW is not a full line manufacturer? OK I gotcha. But unfortunately that little technicality you have pointed out does not stop me or Howard or most BMW drivers from enjoying our cars the most in the entire auto industry. |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 10, 2006 7:28 pm) Secondly, even with the urea bladder, the actual size of it is said to be smaller than a gallon jug of milk(out goes the space concern) and with the utilization of chemicals that can outlive the life of the car, again, the maintenance issue is non-existant. And on Honda, we don't know what the engine is. And we are still talking about the the reigning and forever king of diesel engine building and technology. Furthermore, the MB is right here right now, not some hopeful concept. What, will the same thing be said when BMW comes out with the first mass-market diesel electric(not including locamotives)? Or Audi when the new gen TDI's get here and be the cleanest diesels on the road by far?(They're doing the samething as Honda, but will feature 8-catalyst and 1 particulate net for virtual PZERO emission ratings) This is not to crash Honda, as we all know they build solid powertrains. But questionable blunders like the turbo "X3 fighter" that gets worse mileage than the bigger and more powerful MDX, and a V6 in the RL that gets worst than V8 mileage(why not have the V8 anyway) is enough to keep much speculation in the air...
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