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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 10, 2006 8:24 am) This part: While I maintain that Lexus is not equivalent to BMW, I do think they could close the gap, over time. And, Lexus will take some increased market share from those buyers that are not as brand loyal, and from those that do not fully appreciate the special nature of BMW vehicles. Is what I meant by Lexus taking the BMW pretenders or wannabes. Lexus will take some from this group for sure, no doubt so I think we're on the same page here as we are most of the time. Heck even I like the IS350, but would I take it over a 335i? Nope. I never underestimate Lexus, and try not to overestimate them either. For BMW, Mercedes, and others, it would be foolish to ever turn their back on Lexus, however. It would also be foolish to let Lexus overly distract or derail them (BMW, Mercedes, etc.) from their own directions. I agree totally, and I think BMW and Mercedes have learned enough in the U.S. market not to blow Lexus off in Europe. Once Lexus gets some serious diesels and creates more European friendly designs they'll gain market share in Europe too, no doubt. M
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 10, 2006 7:37 pm) Your lucky! Everytime I get picked up to go to the Airport I end up in the very same non-stretched rusty 1991 Crown Victoria Limousine with a bar that would make any AA member proud. |
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 10, 2006 8:08 pm) In fact I acutally chose a 335i over a IS350. But I think it is a bit harsh to call Lexus IS drivers BMW wannabes and pretenders. They just have different priorities. A person who wants a fast car like the IS without the harsh ride of a sport packaged 335i is not neccessarily a BMW wannabe. In fact he is more likely to be someone who defines sport/luxury/ride/quality very differently from a enthusiast BMW buyer. MB C Class and Lexus IS drivers have a lot in common to each others. Just as BMW 3 drivers and Infiniti G drivers have a lot in common with each others. Calling a IS driver a BMW 3 wannabe is like calling a BMW 3 driver a MB C Class wannabe. That as you know is not the case at all.
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Replying to: ivan_99 (Oct 10, 2006 2:04 pm) It's a good perspective that has merit, and I like it. But another problem that makes it all difficult is that Lexus so often is the one with the "value" card, as well as being super-reliable. People have made this a big deal . . . too big a deal, IMO. TagMan |
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Replying to: scottphillip (Oct 10, 2006 9:38 am) M |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 10, 2006 12:24 pm) M
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 10, 2006 8:26 pm) M
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 10, 2006 8:35 pm) That will be my very last defense for Lexus tonight. 
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 10, 2006 7:28 pm) I've gotta give huge kudos to Honda for their innovation here, in providing a 50-state diesel without the need for additives. Mercedes should consider paying Honda to use its catalyst technology. But, of course, that won't happen. TagMan
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 10, 2006 8:31 pm)
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