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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 09, 2006 1:59 pm) While you sleep, your BMW will scour the Net -- via Wi-Fi and other connections -- collecting, say, 15 minutes of new jazz followed by a 10-minute podcast on the energy industry. It may sound far-fetched, but Is BMW trying to out-search Google? Are they trying to out-Pod Apple? BMW appears to be going a bit off tangent. Geographically Munich is not Silicon Valley. Industry-wise BMW is in the auto industry and not in the Silicon Valley industry of high-tech 
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Replying to: anthonyp (Oct 09, 2006 2:49 pm) I did drive the M45 last year and at that time I was not impressed. The car felt heavy compared to the 545, the engine had a roar to it that would prove annoying over time, the steering felt a little phony and I couldn't find a comfortable fit for my left foot. I also didn't care for the wood-looked too thin-almost see-through. That center stack looked kind of weird too. Also the rear tail lights at night make the vehicle look like a pimp mobile. It's more of a younger person's car-35-45 years old max. I wouldn't feel comfortable with the styling. And the gas mileage is SUV-like. However, the brakes were terrific-better than the BMW's. Needless to say, all criticisms of the M45 were absent regarding the 545, a true masterpiece, seriously flawed only by the iDrive. But the M45 keeps winning the comparos, so I will grudgingly take another look next year. Looking forward to driving the LS and seeing for myself if any of the criticism I have read are valid. Would like to spend a lot of time with the LS. Perhaps they will let me drive it twice, if it's not too busy, and I tell them I came from far away. (If they read some of my previous posts, they may think that may be a different galaxy!) May bypass the GS450h. C&D absolutely tore this vehicle apart in its latest issue. Pretty much what I felt about the GS 430. ( but not the GS 300, which I liked. ) |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 09, 2006 3:18 pm) Since sales of the 5 Series have been up big time, BMW doesn't have to listen to the uproar. If sales slowed down to a crawl, they would listen real well. |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 09, 2006 3:07 pm) The A8 is still built with the most technology available in it's class. And not just i-Drive I honestly dont know what it will be? Whichever car provides the best "drive" and not neccessarily the best idrive or mmi system? |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 09, 2006 3:12 pm) Add the practically useless 8 cu ft. trunk to this horrid mix, and I see this vehicle being withdrawn faster than you can say "Accord Hybrid." This was as bad a review as I have ever seen on a vehicle from an upscale manufacturer. Let's stop all this hybrid foolishness and bring on the cleaner diesel vehicles to market as quickly as possible.
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 09, 2006 7:12 am) Lexus simply put just isn't going to build a machine as hardcore as Sport packaged, manual tranny BMW. Also, I really don't seem them making something like an M3 or M5 when it comes to track work. Lexus' reason for being is Mercedes-Benz and it will stay that way IMO. BMW is a different thing all together and they've proven so far that they aren't really serious about tackling BMW. What Lexus will do however is pull some BMW intenders or wannabes, not their traditional fan base, unless they make some fairly radical changes to what they think a peformance car should be. This would shop Infiniti (G35s specifically) before Lexus. Guys like Habitat, Blueguydotcom and others on the ELLPS board. You should check out that board, they're a lively group. Ask Habitat who steered him in the right direction concerning his 911.  M
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 09, 2006 7:19 am) Isn't this grand! The more things change the mroe they stay the same, Mercedes-Benz showing the way!!! M
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 09, 2006 3:45 pm) I agree, this is just another nail in the coffin for the whole "performance hybrid" idea. The 450h managed just 20mpg, 3 better than the big German 8s. I think trunk space, handling, and a proper transmission are worth the extra few dollars at the pump. The electric motors and batteries add more than 400lbs of weight and a $10K price hike to the GS350, for just 37 extra horses, no increase in fuel economy, and no significant increase in performance. Not to even mention that the steering, brakes, transmission and handling are ruined in the process. That's a terrible deal, any way you slice it. C&D's harsh review was completely deserved. The car makes no sense. |
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 7:50 pm) Disappoiting? Are you sure you read the article at all? It seems you basically took 2 negatives and spin it round and round to try and make it as if C&D wrote the LS460 is a disappointing product. Considering the ending summary basically says "with new levels of luxury and attention to detail and a more robust lineup, the LS seems poised to stay on top.". That is hardly a *disappointing* review. Leave it to the spin doctors to manufacture reviews!
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Replying to: maxhonda99 (Oct 10, 2006 3:50 am) Disappointing in the sense that a 0-60 mph time of 6.0 seconds is unacceptable for a sedan with a big V-8. Powerful braking and quick acceleration are important to me, and they should be a given for anyone spending in excess of 60 large.
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