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24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 09, 2006 7:19 am) Yes, they have an improved catalytic system, I believe, and the engine is suitable for all 50 states. blkhemi posted (#19547) this statement on Oct 5th, but I have not been able to find any news to back it up. MB just announced that they had good reason on holding off on the urea tank for the Bluetec, they've found a way to get the clean stuff without it. Hopefully he will read this and give us the source so we can see if his interpretation of the news is correct, and if this applies to all 50 states. If so, that would be great. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 09, 2006 7:05 am) Very true. My XKR is capable of 0-60 in 5.5, but its definitely not head snapping. Because of the gearing, its practically impossible to get the XKR to spin its wheels. Power comes on in a huge rush after about 20mph. A clutch drop launch in a 6.0 or even 6.5 second car could produce more of an effect. |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 09, 2006 6:56 am) However, you were only guilty of bad pasting. Good excuse! 
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Replying to: reality2 (Oct 09, 2006 9:15 am) So according to you we cannot take these positive A8L reviews seriously  It is not a hard thing to do for the A8L to do better in reveiws than the 7 series especially when the 7 series is close to the tail end of its product cycle and soon will be replaced by a new generation model that will put the A8L in its place.
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 09, 2006 7:12 am) Toyota's Lexus also has BMW in its sights as it makes a move to gain in Europe with sportier, better-handling cars. "We will be challenged -- no question," says Reithofer. "We have to take Lexus seriously." Tagman, Reithofer was certainly not referring to a Lexus threat in terms of performance or handling. The Lexus IS, GS, LS and their SUVs are not able to out-handle or outperform BMW 3 , 5, 7 series and X5/X3 SUVs. What I believe he is refering to is the following: Vögel says the next generation of BMW 5 Series and 7 Series sedans will be the most Net-savvy cars on the road. Who in this forum is impressed with BMW electronics like idrive? Nobody I presume! And who in this forum honestly believes that BMWs will be more Net-Savvy than Lexuses? Nobody? In terms of electronic gadgetry I think Toyota will be able to out-spend and out-innovate BMW with no problem. It is in electronics that BMW is threatened by Lexus and I believe that BMW is trying a bit too hard with these endeavors. Their focus should be on cars that make driving enjoyable and certainly not cars that are equipped with the contents of a Best Buy Store. an onboard computer that will recognize you, then seek out information you want and entertainment you love. I dont know about you but would you like a HAL-type computer in your car that practically knows what music you want to hear right here and now without even pushing a button or saying anything? I certainly dont! And what if the computer malfunctions and plays Eminem instead of a Schubert Violin Concerto? D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R! I just want a car that performs and handles well. If I want a mind reader I can just go to my local psychic.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 09, 2006 1:07 pm) As for the 7-Series putting the A8L in its "place", is very unlikely to occur. The A8 has surpassed the 7-Series for good as has every other HELM. There is no way BMW is better than Audi in any respect these days as both are very equally matched with each doing certain things better than the other. This is more of brand cultural values in terms what each brand perceives is important to it.
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Replying to: reality2 (Oct 09, 2006 1:28 pm) Fair enough! Both marques have their different strengths which attracts different types of buyers. Both have their inferiorities and superiorities. |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 09, 2006 1:19 pm) In fact the frustratingly complex iDrive resulted in the 550i losing by 1 point to the winning M45 Sport in its latest "upscale sedans" comparo. The Lexus 450h came in dead last in an absolutely scathing review-nothing good was said about this vehicle. They didn't like the MB E550 much either. I will take another long hard look at the Infiniti next year. |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 09, 2006 1:19 pm) I agree that BMWs outhandle Lexus vehicles across the board. But, Reithofer's words were exactly as follows: Toyota's Lexus also has BMW in its sights as it makes a move to gain in Europe with sportier, better-handling cars. "We will be challenged -- no question," says Reithofer. "We have to take Lexus seriously." His words regarding Lexus were "sportier better-handling cars". In my opinion, he was referring to performance. That's what "better-handling" is about, as I understand it. In other words, Lexus vehicles aren't "better-handling" than BMWs, they are "better-handling" than previous Lexus vehicles . . . which he further explains makes them something to be aware of. TagMan
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 09, 2006 1:59 pm)
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