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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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By The Way... by hpowders
Oct 08, 2006 (8:08 pm)
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if you are going to mention one of the greatest golfers of all time, at least take the trouble to look up the correct spelling of his name: It's Nicklaus, not Nicholas.
Geesh!
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Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [dewey] by hpowders
Oct 08, 2006 (8:14 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 08, 2006 7:56 pm)

And do you really think that after they give you that 2064 LS 870, the one that is absolutely guaranteed this time to be the 7 Series killer, that you will actually be able to see it?
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Re: Tag [drfill] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Oct 08, 2006 7:22 pm)

Y'know, Doc, I previously replied to your post with a "copy/paste" on your misspelling of Nicklaus as Nicholas, so it seems I've become your accomplice here in the misspelled golfers crime. To be fair, I'll have to split the fine with you.
 
Back to your post, I get your point this time.
 
It's all starting to heat up a bit isn't it? As we get closer to the real understanding of what an LS460 truly is and isn't, and how it will honestly compare to the offerings from Mercedes, BMW, Audi, and even Jaguar.
 
It will be interesting, and I do hope that we are able to reach some areas of agreement as to how the LS460 ultimately stacks up. That will depend, of course, on how objective we are able to be.
 
If history is any lesson, it ain't gonna be all that easy.
 
But who knows, maybe the qualities of the LS will be so obvious that they will leave little room for doubt or debate.
 
Since I won't be participating in one of the Lexus driving promotions, I will ultimately inspect and test drive the vehicle when it becomes possible at a local dealership.
 
After that, we'll be in a better position to compare notes.
 
TagMan
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Re: More reality check on LS460 vs. S-Class [hpowders] by brightness04
Oct 08, 2006 (8:54 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 6:18 pm)

C&D had a single preproduction unit for test, under conditions that are not specified. Carmakers publish statistic expectation values of a model run with margins of confidence that they are comfortable to live with. The 0-60 number of your specific 545i is unknown until someone tests it . . . on a hot desert with bald tires, chances are that it won't make 5.4 or 6.
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Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [dewey] by brightness04
Oct 08, 2006 (9:00 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 08, 2006 7:16 pm)

Most of us in this forum read auto mags for a reason and it is certainly not to waste our time.
 
Actully, yes. Most auto mags are in the leisure, past-time and entertainment section, not considered peer-reviewed scientific journals or real news, the last time i checked.
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Re: More reality check on LS460 vs. S-Class [hpowders] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (9:00 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 6:18 pm)

I know what it feels like to be that fast, and I will be able to tell if the LS is closer to the 5.4 as claimed or the 6.0 that C&D found.
 
If a Lexus rep accompanies you in the right passenger seat, make sure he understands your driving techniques and then proceed to offer him a vomit bag.
 
Let me know what you think the 0-100 time is, please. This should prove to be more representative of the way you and I drive, anyway. Since you'll already be at 100, might as well check the 100-0 braking distance, to check for any grabbiness.
 
Good luck with your mission. Lethal force is prohibited. And don't eat that pate until after your drive. We wouldn't want your reflexes slowed down.
 
TagMan
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Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [hpowders] by lexusguy
Oct 08, 2006 (9:01 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 8:14 pm)

And do you really think that after they give you that 2064 LS 870, the one that is absolutely guaranteed this time to be the 7 Series killer, that you will actually be able to see it?
 
A 8.7L V8 from Lexus seems somewhat unlikely. I'm thinking by 2064, the LS will be hydrogen\electric with a motor per wheel. Ultra capacitors and extremely powerful electric motors will eliminate the need for a traditional big engine.
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Re: More reality check on LS460 vs. S-Class [tagman] by brightness04
Oct 08, 2006 (9:06 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 08, 2006 3:03 pm)

I believe that there will be a substantial number of neutral consumers that will discover this truth, and not be swayed by marketing or gimmicks, but by the genuine realities of these vehicles.
 
We will certainly see the result of competition shortly. Within a couple years, we will probably see substantial lease subsidy on one of the two models . . . talk about marketting gimmick
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Re: Finally a threat to BMW? [lexusguy] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (9:08 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 08, 2006 9:01 pm)

extremely powerful electric motors
 
Those will also power the massage recliners in the back seats while watching the motorized 42" plasma satellite TV with THX 7.1 surround sound utilizing Mark Levinson Jr.'s 48-speaker 5000 watt system.
 
And of course Lexus in the year 2064, still trying to conquer BMW, will have their new slogan: "Lexus - The Ultimate Passenger's Machine".
 
TagMan
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BusinessWeek on BMW - Great Article by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (9:27 pm)
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BMW is more robust than ever. The company has become the industry benchmark for high-performance premium cars, customized production, and savvy brand management, making it the envy of Mercedes-Benz (DCX ), Audi, and Lexus and the subject of Harvard Business School case studies. Even mighty Toyota Motor Corp. (TM ) regularly dispatches engineers to BMW's factories to see how the company cranks out 1.3 million customized cars a year.
 
Wow! This is a terrific in-depth article on BMW that we should all appreciate (especially hpowders and Dewey).
 
BusinessWeek - BMW's Dream Factory
 
TagMan

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