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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: reality2 (Oct 08, 2006 5:44 pm) I generally give higher credibility to the majority, or general concensus, and avoid any extreme perspectives. TagMan
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Replying to: mariner7 (Oct 08, 2006 8:36 am) Also, Audi has taken Lamborghini from sales of 300 unreliable cars to nearly 2000 in just five years, suggesting that Audi does know something about the supercar market yet alone the its own premium status. Audi Czar Dr. Winterkorn knows exactly what he is doing and VW and Porsche know it.
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Replying to: drfill (Oct 08, 2006 3:28 pm) I won't be able to accurately determine this for myself at the "Taste", but my 545 is around 5.4, so I know what it feels like to be that fast, and I will be able to tell if the LS is closer to the 5.4 as claimed or the 6.0 that C&D found. I wouldn't bet on Jack Nicholas either. He lives several blocks away and has a 23 handicap, but he has won a few club tournaments and wears a genuine Relox to prove it. |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 08, 2006 5:51 pm) |
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Replying to: reality2 (Oct 08, 2006 6:13 pm) The 7 series is not a real HELM  IMO the A8L is no HELM if the 7 series is no HELM. Your opinions and my opinions dont really matter one bit since the world knows that both the A8 and 7 Series are real HELMs. CAR is notorious for it anti-Audi tribble and its kissing a$$ of BMW. CAR and almost every major auto magazine in the world kisses BMW a$$. Why? Is it a conspiracy? Are most auto journalists under control from Bavaria? Or are the majority of auto journalists ignorant about cars? No, no and no again. Is it maybe because BMWs are really that good? Maybe? This whole idea that most opinions among auto journalists are drivel is mainly held by disgruntled individuals whose favorite cars are not favored by the press. Maybe you will change your mind when Audi manages to improve the reviews of their cars . In that case I assume you would consider auto journalists far more objective.  At the end of the day the most important reviewer is the car buyer/leaser himself. But that does not in anyway diminish the role of a good auto reviewer. Most of us in this forum read auto mags for a reason and it is certainly not to waste our time. There are many good auto magazine reviewers that do provide valuable and different perspectives about a car.
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I like the Tiger/Nicholas analogy because it compares the acknowledged standard of excellence against the upstart, the Next Great One. I didn't use it to compare Nicholas today to Tiger today. If you asked Tiger Woods who is the greatest golfer ever, he'd say Jack, no question. Lexus would give Mercedes the same respect. The S550 is the "benchmark". Period. Ok? Not disputing that. Is that the end of the story? I think not. All I know about the two cars is the LS was more tasteful and elegant, especially out back, after seeing them together. My "extreme remarks" were always qualified with Maybe, or words to that effect. Again, the car isn't out yet. The LS always competes well against ANY luxury car, because it has been that good. All I'm sayin' is the LS460 has all the ingredients to be the new "benchmark". What was the Toyota Camry before the 1992 redesign? The Camry is now the standard, ever since. That might be a more "balanced" Camry comparison, because that may not be so far-fetched. I will drive the LS460, and hopefully the S550, on the 29th. DrFill
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 08, 2006 7:16 pm) If nothing else, it will give me some insight as to where the Lexus posters are coming from. It would be nice if all regular posters here would test drive as many of the HELM offerings that we discuss here as they can so we can compare notes.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 7:50 pm) Hopefully my great grand children will give me a soft riding luxury car during my 100th birtday. |
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