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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: More reality check on LS460 vs. S-Class [drfill] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Oct 08, 2006 3:28 pm)

Why my post?
 
Read your earlier post today. It literally screams for some balance, which I am more than willing to provide. You essentially threw some extreme remarks out into this forum as bait, and we can see the result it had. So, I see the need for some balance.
 
You basically have stated the superiority of the LS460 as fact. The real fact is that the S-Class has been acknowledged as the benchmark. That everyone should agree on. Until the LS460(L) is determined to have toppled it, the S-Class remains the benchmark. It's that simple.
 
Perhaps the major comps will come in and will by majority claim that the new LS460(L) is the new standard, having toppled the S-Class, but until that happens, there is no substance to your posting the LS460(L) as the superior vehicle, other than indicating your own early opinion. And if that's all we're talking about, then say so.
 
Your analogy of Jack Nicholas and Tiger Woods has no place here. The new '07 S-Class is a brand new vehicle, not an old seasoned one. It also happens to be the current heavyweight champion. You may think you have a great contender, as I also believe you do, but until they are actually in the ring, I am going to continue to call the S-Class the heavyweight champion that is is.
 
That's the balance that I thought was needed here.
 
TagMan
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Unbelievable by houdini1
Oct 08, 2006 (4:01 pm)
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I have never seen a new auto raise such ire before it has even been officially introduced. People are spouting off that this fine auto is nothing but a piece of crap when, in fact, most of them haven't seen it, or touched it, let alone driven it.
 
They continue to criticize this auto because it is not something that it has never tried to be. It is not a Mercedes or BMW. It is a Lexus. It doesn't need or want to be anything else. Just accept that and you will all feel better.
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Re: Unbelievable [houdini1] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 08, 2006 4:01 pm)

People are spouting off that this fine auto is nothing but a piece of crap
 
houdini -
 
Where's the beef?
 
You show me those posts that you say spout off that the LS460 is nothing but a piece of crap . . . or quit posting baloney.
 
TagMan
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This is hilarious by designman
Oct 08, 2006 (4:32 pm)
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Doc and Houdini... you don't like it when the LS is criticized sight unseen, neither touched or driven. Yet it's OK for you to declare it the king of the HELMs etc. when you also haven't had so much as a sniff of it. Go back and read your posts and see if you can comprehend what you are saying.
 
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Re: This is hilarious [designman] by houdini1
Oct 08, 2006 (5:17 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Oct 08, 2006 4:32 pm)

Simple deduction dman. The old LS 430 is already a better car in many respects than the S. Better value, better reliability, better resale, better dealer support, better NVH and quieter. It also is a better hi-way cruiser, looks better, and costs a whole lot less. This is just my humble opinion of course.
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Re: This is hilarious [houdini1] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 08, 2006 5:17 pm)

So when a review of the new S-Class indicates that it sets a new standard and becomes the new benchmark, we should just assume that, according to you, it ACTUALLY means that the S-Class is the new benchmark except for the old LS430?
 
C'mon, houdini, you're crackin me up here.
 
And you still haven't proved your claim that people called the LS460 a "piece of crap".
 
Man, I'm good with you loving the LS and all that, but what's going on here?
 
TagMan
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Re: This is hilarious [tagman] by houdini1
Oct 08, 2006 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 08, 2006 5:32 pm)

OK, Tag, you got me. Maybe I exaggerated a tiny little bit. Just trying for some of that balance.
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Re: This is hilarious [tagman] by reality2
Oct 08, 2006 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 08, 2006 5:32 pm)

Whether the new S-Class is the so called "benchmark" is usually the opinion of biased automotive journalists or is only that an "opinion" and not fact. Generally, I have found automotive journalists to overhype certain brands at the expense of others due to whatever floats their boats. In reality the case is usually not so. Same applies for the S-Class. It is not necessarily ahead of the A8 or the new LS. The 7-Series (well that is not a real HELM), but for the most part, the S-Class achieves what MB wanted it to do. It is not necessarily superior to an A8L for example just because someone says so. Having said that, I find the A8L and the S-Class as the leaders in the HELM in terms of sheer presence and quality (not to mention heritage).
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Re: This is hilarious [houdini1] by tagman
Oct 08, 2006 (5:45 pm)
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OK, Tag, you got me. Maybe I exaggerated a little.
 
Good enough.
 
Now we can get back to "fair and balanced" (sounds like Fox news) posts again.
 
TagMan

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