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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 9:03 am) In fact the only handling-oriented marketing comment I recall from Lexus management was a claim along the lines that the new LS would be "the best handling LS ever." They never claimed it would be "the best handling Lexus" or the "best handling in its class".
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Replying to: syswei (Oct 08, 2006 9:11 am) They are targeting BMW. So long as Lexus contributes in words or design that it is targeting BMW, the German vs Lexus debate is valid and will continue.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 9:14 am) YES . . . This is already widely acknowledged. Clearly Lexus adopted some of the trendy Bangle rear design in the new LS. And, of course, upon doing so, it increasingly validates BMW as a competitive target . . . from a style standpoint. Performance targeting of BMW has been primarily delegated to the IS model at this point. Combined, it proves what I've said for some time now . . . Lexus has clearly gone beyond Mercedes and has now included BMW as well, as a targeted competitor. This is all pretty obvious at this point. TagMan |
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 9:14 am) What is also clear is the rear end is better than both of the Germans. I didn't know a copy could be better than the original?  DrFill
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Replying to: unknown (Oct 08, 2006 9:43 am) According to who? Where does it consistently say in the reviews or anywhere for that matter that the LS460 styling is better than the S-Class? It is consistently indicated that it is an improvement from the last LS430, which it is, thank goodness. So, what are you talking about here? TagMan
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Replying to: mariner7 (Oct 08, 2006 8:36 am) |
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on this forum are true performance cars, but they all aspire to it. They all also aspire to being reliable and luxurious as well. High End Luxury Marques. Performance is not even in the title. The mighty Lexus LS is the indisputable King of the HELM forum.
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Replying to: mariner7 (Oct 08, 2006 8:36 am) Yes this could be a potential threat to BMW. It also could be a serious cannibalization threat to Audis if comparable Porsche sedans are more potent and exciting than Audi sedans. What will be the point of sporty stiff handling Porsche sedans when there already are Audi S/RS sedans? I read the new entry level Porsche Panamera will have a VW engine. It would not surprise me that a closer Porsche-VW relationship will give birth to Porsche sedans that iare based on a Audi platforms.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 08, 2006 10:28 am) Well then, a nice 8-speed luxurious Lazy-Boy recliner on wheels will do just fine. And I'll bet you will be the first to place your deposit!  Personally, I am quite certain that performance is one inherent component of a HELM . . . and there ARE models here that have superior attributes in that arena. TagMan |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 08, 2006 10:39 am) TagMan
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