Edmunds.com | Inside Line | Auto Observer Your Account | Help | Directory
You are here:
![[F]](http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/site.gif){kind=small}
Forums
Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
|
Tag, Wouldn't you think an S450 is restrained by prices of the old S430. If they price it too low they hurt the residuals of S430's in the future. Only with regards to lease residuals perhaps, but otherwise I see no legitimate restraint. Looking forward is the direction that MB really needs to stay focused upon, and I see them having taken good leadership position, with the timely introduction of the new S-Class, which I still see as the benchmark, although it will have a tougher competitor than ever before. It would be in MB's future interest to price an S450 in the sweet spot, without an over-concern for the older S models, IMO. This is not to infer that I think it should be too cheap, because I wouldn't want that perception to ever accompany Mercedes. With all respect, leave that to Lexus. But "value" (which doesn't mean "cheap") can be perceived even for a Mercedes, and that is what I would hope for with an upcoming S450. TagMan |
|
|
Replying to: tagman (Oct 07, 2006 7:50 am) My complaint about diesels with low sulphur fuel was based on the following assertion by Green Car Congress: Improperly fueling a 2007 or later model with low sulphur diesel can damage the emissions system link title Unfortunately in my case I misunderstood their low sulphur terminology. In fact low sulphur diesel is high sulphur diesel when compared to ultra low sulphur diesel. New 2007 engines are designed for ultra low sulphur diesels and not for low sulphur diesels. In other words I am wrong.
|
|
|
Replying to: dewey (Oct 07, 2006 12:55 pm)  Very interesting. I would doubt that the rest of us have used the "ultra" word either, when speaking of the newer ultra-low sulphur diesel fuel. But, an interesting discussion, nonetheless. And, certainly with any new components that might be a part of these new "ultra-low" sulphur diesel burners, however simple or complex, there is at least some reasonable concern for failure, although I think minimum concern. Also, your posts have made some of us more aware of the correct terminology when discussing low or ultra-low sulphur diesel fuel in the future. I find that very helpful. Take care, TagMan
|
|
|
Replying to: tagman (Oct 07, 2006 1:59 pm) Otherwise I would of ended up in a hybrid vs. diesel forum preaching erroneously the vices of diesels and the virtues of hybrids .
|
|
|
Replying to: tagman (Oct 07, 2006 8:34 am) A Lexus dealer apparently dribbled out some idea of how LS460 and LS460L will come in, and what a well-equipped model would sell for, with prices of incoming cars with certail packages. But it looks like it'll be at least another 10 days before we have detailed equipment information. But I'll dig for some, and let you know! One thing I have learned is a fully-loaded LS460L may surpass $90k!  And a hearty congrats to the NEW YORK YANKEES! WAY TO GO, GUYS! The $200,000,000 dog now sleeps, in the East River, with the fishes. Rest in peace, Yankees. R.I.P.  How are my Mets doing again?  DrFill
|
|
|
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=89951&size=big&cat=500&ppus- er=3114 DrFill |
|
|
Replying to: dewey (Oct 07, 2006 6:55 pm) Otherwise I would of ended up in a hybrid vs. diesel forum preaching erroneously the vices of diesels and the virtues of hybrids . Yeah, we sure wouldn't want that. I have to admit that I remember being foolish enough to go there one time all juiced up on hybrid kool-aid . . . not a pretty picture . . . But, not to worry . . . I'll do everything I can to keep you from going down that mistaken path. (and I'm confident blkhemi would help out if needed.)  TagMan |
|
|
This from "izoom.com": "As a contender in the big luxury sedan category, the LS 460 is uninspired and laden with pointless, whiz-bang gizmos that left us wondering if the folks at Lexus are out of touch." "In terms of styling, the new LS is unlikely to attract new buyers and especially any converts from formidable prestige brands such as Mercedes-Benz or BMW." "According to Lexus Vice President of Marketing Deborah Meyer, 'Our basic philosophy is to build vehicles our customers want.' Well, apparently the Lexus customer has spoken and what it wants for 2007 is help with parallel parking." "As far as most people are concerned, nothing screams "old man car" more than a big, overblown sedan with a parallel parking system. Our prediction is that the 2007 Lexus LS 460 will be huge in Florida." This from "Car and Driver": "60 mph arrives from rest in 6.0 seconds...more than a half-second slower than what Lexus claims, not to mention what the Mercedes S550 and BMW 750i achieve." "Start pushing and the all-season tires howl persistently as it leans through turns." "We measured a pitiful 209 feet in stopping distance from 70 mph, 30 feet longer than an LS 430." I don't think Mercedes Benz has much to worry about.
|
|
|
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 08, 2006 4:23 am) Sleeping medicine prescriptions will no longer be required for BMW execs
|
|
|
Replying to: drfill (Oct 07, 2006 7:11 pm) You know Doc you are the only person I know who gets excited about price inflation. If I read that BMW or Audi prices will be substantially higher I can assure you I would not use the icon. Instead I would use this icon  Lexus will have no choice but to apply their usual WalMart pricing when compared to Benzes or BMWs. Otherwise they may end up having many uninspiring autos that have a lot of pointless whizbang gizmos sitting on their lots collecting cobwebs. Apparently all the prior euphoria about the LS in various forums is beginning to look like a joke. Coincidentally the same euphoria was witnessed with the lacklustre GS and the stickless VDIM IS non-sport sedan.
|
|
New? Join Now!
Forum Tools
Search Forums
Browse by Vehicle
2011 Audi A8
2010 BMW 7 Series
2008 Jaguar XJ-Series
2010 Lexus LS 460
2010 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2006 Volkswagen Phaeton
2009 Maserati Quattroporte
2010 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class
Browse by Board
Browse by Topic
Today's Chats
