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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 07, 2006 8:44 am) You know my position as well. Gas/electric hybric is a viable alternative that is OK as a temporary technology. Unless it provides some unusual breakthrough, I don't expect it to last for the long haul. I'm OK with it in the meantime, however. Diesels are a far better answer, without a doubt. And diesel/electric could be something to consider. Hydrogen will likely worm its way into our infrastructure, and my crystal ball says it will become the big winner when the dust finally settles. But, for the immediate future, I am so anxious to get my hands on a new generation diesel vehicle. I expect Mercedes to release the BlueTec in many of their models within the next few years. Even Japan is coming aboard. Toyota will be the lone ranger with their gas hybrids, and I'll bet they finally make the switch, too. The market itself will force them to, IMO. Their one big advantage could be diesel/electric hybrids due to their leading experience with the hybrids. TagMan |
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Its amazing to me that we don't have the opportunity to spec out well proven four cylinder and lightweight (i.e., liner-less) diesels. Its seems a no brainer. No more ignition to worry about, hugely better fuel mileage especially at idle around town, etc. Were I a conspiracy theorist, I'd think that Detroit realizes that rightfully or wrongfully, someone who buys say a diesel SUV or HELM might step off the three year lease/trade cycle so beloved by everyone except a consumer with a calculator and the good sense to turn it on.
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Oct 07, 2006 10:33 am)  TagMan |
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Tag, Wouldn't you think an S450 is restrained by prices of the old S430. If they price it too low they hurt the residuals of S430's in the future. Only with regards to lease residuals perhaps, but otherwise I see no legitimate restraint. Looking forward is the direction that MB really needs to stay focused upon, and I see them having taken good leadership position, with the timely introduction of the new S-Class, which I still see as the benchmark, although it will have a tougher competitor than ever before. It would be in MB's future interest to price an S450 in the sweet spot, without an over-concern for the older S models, IMO. This is not to infer that I think it should be too cheap, because I wouldn't want that perception to ever accompany Mercedes. With all respect, leave that to Lexus. But "value" (which doesn't mean "cheap") can be perceived even for a Mercedes, and that is what I would hope for with an upcoming S450. TagMan |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 07, 2006 7:50 am) My complaint about diesels with low sulphur fuel was based on the following assertion by Green Car Congress: Improperly fueling a 2007 or later model with low sulphur diesel can damage the emissions system link title Unfortunately in my case I misunderstood their low sulphur terminology. In fact low sulphur diesel is high sulphur diesel when compared to ultra low sulphur diesel. New 2007 engines are designed for ultra low sulphur diesels and not for low sulphur diesels. In other words I am wrong.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 07, 2006 12:55 pm)  Very interesting. I would doubt that the rest of us have used the "ultra" word either, when speaking of the newer ultra-low sulphur diesel fuel. But, an interesting discussion, nonetheless. And, certainly with any new components that might be a part of these new "ultra-low" sulphur diesel burners, however simple or complex, there is at least some reasonable concern for failure, although I think minimum concern. Also, your posts have made some of us more aware of the correct terminology when discussing low or ultra-low sulphur diesel fuel in the future. I find that very helpful. Take care, TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 07, 2006 1:59 pm) Otherwise I would of ended up in a hybrid vs. diesel forum preaching erroneously the vices of diesels and the virtues of hybrids .
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 07, 2006 8:34 am) A Lexus dealer apparently dribbled out some idea of how LS460 and LS460L will come in, and what a well-equipped model would sell for, with prices of incoming cars with certail packages. But it looks like it'll be at least another 10 days before we have detailed equipment information. But I'll dig for some, and let you know! One thing I have learned is a fully-loaded LS460L may surpass $90k!  And a hearty congrats to the NEW YORK YANKEES! WAY TO GO, GUYS! The $200,000,000 dog now sleeps, in the East River, with the fishes. Rest in peace, Yankees. R.I.P.  How are my Mets doing again?  DrFill
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http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=89951&size=big&cat=500&ppus- er=3114 DrFill |
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 07, 2006 6:55 pm) Otherwise I would of ended up in a hybrid vs. diesel forum preaching erroneously the vices of diesels and the virtues of hybrids . Yeah, we sure wouldn't want that. I have to admit that I remember being foolish enough to go there one time all juiced up on hybrid kool-aid . . . not a pretty picture . . . But, not to worry . . . I'll do everything I can to keep you from going down that mistaken path. (and I'm confident blkhemi would help out if needed.) TagMan |
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