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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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J.D. Power estimates that diesel sales will triple to 9% of the U.S. market by 2013, compared with a projected hybrid share of 5%. This is interesting, as Toyota and Lexus move forward with hybrids, it would seem that diesels are getting poised to clobber them. I'm good with that . . . very good. Good article here: The Axis of Diesel TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 05, 2006 9:50 am) The emergence of lawful cleaner diesels in the USA should create a sensation in several years, and should render the hybrids to deserved obsolescence. These diesels will be cheaper to buy than hybrids and get much better mpg. Sounds like a no-brainer. A great link. Very exciting stuff! 
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 05, 2006 10:48 am) But... maybe before you buy any Accord you should at least check out the Hyundai Sonata. I have never driven one but they look great, I have read great things about them, the price is right, and they have best warranty around. Maybe your prediction will come true. They might pass Toyota and Honda!!
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 05, 2006 11:53 am) I stick by my prediction. Hyundai will surpass Toyota in a few years. Honda would be a lot tougher. Very excited about the cleaner diesel potential: better mpg than hybrids with a nice big trunk. Imagine diesels beating the tough new EPA emission standards. What's not to like? Yes. I can see it now. The 2008 Honda Accord EXD, 31 city/44 highway, featuring manual lumbar support for the driver.  2008 thesaurus look up of "hybrid": "obsolete." |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 05, 2006 9:50 am) On one side, you've got automakers that now have conjured up ways to get even cleaner diesel engines without the need of urea tanks. Thanks to piezo injectors(these are used in the race-versions of diesels), the atomazation of the diesel fuel is delivered to the cylinder more precise, thus elimanating back-burn, which causes the high Nox levels and the lovely aroma of SOOT!!! And then on the other side, the automakers have actually been able to keep costs down, even tho this new technology does cost major bucks to be mass-marketed. You've got Audi, MB, and now BMW all making clean diesel some way or another. MB just announced that they had good reason on holding off on the urea tank for the Bluetec, they've found a way to get the clean stuff without it. Audi recently announced that the new TDI's will meet EVERY emission requirements in the world(altho most countries don't have them). The new 5.0L TDI V10 will be twin-turbo'd and has been tested for durability over 500k miles. And of course everyone knows what BMW is doing with the diesel-electric. This thing has just began....
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Nissan's stocked surged 3% yesterday as the company has halted 3 months worth of talk with GM in hopes of forming an alliance. Well, honestly, I didn't think that was going to work. As I've eluded to before, that company isn't even out of the dark yet, as witnessed by the many quality woes that still plague their American made vehicles. And Renault? Need I say anything about the absolute most unreliable mass-marketed brand.
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 05, 2006 10:48 am) A great link. Very exciting stuff! Glad you liked it! My initial enthusiasm for gas/hybrid technology has faded away fast. I am 100% behind the re-emergence of the diesel, as many of you know by now, and I look forward to purchasing a diesel powered vehicle in the near future. I agree with you that it has been frustrating to read the great reviews, only to discover that they won't ever be hitting our shores. Well, all that's about to change, my friend, and it's about time. TagMan |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 05, 2006 2:39 pm) This thing has just began Absolutely. TagMan |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 05, 2006 2:44 pm) Today's news reported that they have now turned towards Ford. What do you know about this? TagMan
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This is supposed to be, check the title, a discussion about High End Luxury Marques. Could we drop the Hondas, Nissans, Fords, Hyundais, etc. and get back on topic?
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