High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19438 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [merc1] by dewey Oct 02, 2006 (5:50 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 01, 2006 9:18 pm) This from a man who heads up the same company that depends on suvs and large pickups for their survival! This is said as GM gets ready to roll out their most important vehicles of all, full-size pickups! What am I missing here? The answer to your question could be the Sequel. The gas-alternative route seems to be GM's new Crusade. I just hope GM will live up to its hype. SOURCE: FORTUNE Sept. 20th, 2006 The Sequel, GM (Charts) immodestly proposes, is the greatest leap forward since Karl Benz rolled out his gasoline-powered three-wheel bicycle in 1886. "GM has reinvented the automobile," brags Larry Burns, vice president of R&D. The Sequel is a genuinely bold and innovative engineering achievement. DaimlerChrysler (Charts) and Toyota (Charts) have put a few fuel-cell buses in service, and Honda (Charts) has leased one fuel-cell-powered car, but GM has gone farther than any of its rivals to develop a car that burns no gas, produces no harmful emissions--and that normal people wouldn't mind driving. It has already invested $1 billion in the program and might spend another billion before it gets a fuel-cell car into mass production. After losing $10.6 billion in 2005, it is a wonder that the company can afford it. But GM vice chairman Bob Lutz is so enthusiastic that he is willing to delay conventional new models to get a fuel-cell car into production. "It's a game changer," Lutz says Honda and BMW are both experimenting with liquid hydrogen as a fuel for conventional engines; BMW announced it is putting 100 hydrogen-fueled cars on the road next year. GM's is a fundamentally different bet, leapfrogging past traditional engines altogether. No wonder Lutz wants the government to impose hefty gas taxes. He is very worried that by the time Sequel is introduced gas prices will drop to about $1.20 a gallon and GM will have to pull the plug on the Sequel.
#19439 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [merc1] by lexusguy Oct 02, 2006 (6:02 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 01, 2006 9:18 pm) Uh...Lutz, GM doesn't have enough small cars or enough that people would even want to buy in order to offset the sales losses if the Feds did what you're asking! Hello earth to Yutz? You're calling for buyers to revert to the vehicles with the slimmest profit margins at a time when GM is dying? Quite. They would be handing whatever marketshare they have left to Japan and Korea. Their Daewoos aren't competitive in the ultra compact space.
#19440 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [merc1] by tagman Oct 02, 2006 (8:23 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 01, 2006 9:18 pm) This from a man who heads up the same company that depends on suvs and large pickups for their survival! This is said as GM gets ready to roll out their most important vehicles of all, full-size pickups! What am I missing here? What are you missing? Well, with all due respect to you, one of our great posters, let me just say that I see this as nothing more than PR, pure and simple. It's the same as the tobacco companies' ads which suggest that smokers should stop smoking. Do you believe them? And you know it's PR? Don't believe Lutz, either. TagMan Replies to this message: merc1 (Oct 02, 2006 1:06 pm) tagman (Oct 02, 2006 1:45 pm) dewey (Oct 03, 2006 8:35 am) tagman (Oct 03, 2006 8:47 am) and 1 more...
#19441 of 24700 A News Drought by dewey Oct 02, 2006 (10:52 am)
This has to be the worst 48 hours I have ever experienced in terms of HELM news. I cant find any news from media/web sites worth posting here. Oh well at least there is always tomorrow or after-tomorrow.
#19442 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [designman] by merc1 Oct 02, 2006 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: designman (Oct 02, 2006 5:00 am) Have you seen the GM TV ad currently running that says 90% of their cars get at least 30 mpg highway? + No I can't say that I remember seeing that one. Interesting though. Lutz still doesn't realize what he is talking about though because most small GM cars are crap next to the competition and when people thing MPG they run to Honda and Toyota small cars, not GM's. M
#19443 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [tagman] by merc1 Oct 02, 2006 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Oct 02, 2006 8:23 am) Well, with all due respect to you, one of our great posters, let me just say that I see this as nothing more than PR, pure and simple. Do you believe them? And you know it's PR? Of course Tag, I'm just shocked by it! Especially when GM has so much riding on their new pickups this fall. Maybe he should keep quiet for a while. Dewey's post on this is very interesting though! M Replies to this message: tagman (Oct 02, 2006 1:45 pm) dewey (Oct 03, 2006 8:35 am) tagman (Oct 03, 2006 8:47 am) dewey (Oct 03, 2006 9:16 am)
#19444 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [merc1] by tagman Oct 02, 2006 (1:45 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 02, 2006 1:06 pm) Of course Tag, I'm just shocked by it! Especially when GM has so much riding on their new pickups this fall. Maybe he should keep quiet for a while. Dewey's post on this is very interesting though! Yes, I like Dewey's post. . . and regarding the Sequel, just maybe Lutz is actually a visionary, and instead of jumping all over him, we'll all be praising him down the road. Who knows? Either way, he's got a tough job ahead. TagMan
#19445 of 24700 Re: What the hell? [merc1] by houdini1 Oct 02, 2006 (1:50 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Oct 01, 2006 9:18 pm) I guess Mr. Lutz should get out of the car biz and get into politics!!
#19446 of 24700 THE DAY HAS COME!!!!! by blkhemi Oct 02, 2006 (2:47 pm)
I'm sorry for neglecting my fellow brethern, but I've just got done doing a 100-mile blast in the new S8. First things first: THIS CAR IS A AWESOME. Very few cars nowadays can make me say that, but this is one of the few. The shorter by 5" wheelbase really makes this hi-po car what it is. Like I've related before, it's not as edgy as an M or RS car, and not as punchy as the higher-echelon AMG 55 and 65's, but it will flat out roll with the best of them, all the while not sending you to the chiropractor in the process. For 100 large, this definetely the bargin of the big cars, particularly now that all AMG's push north of 100k , whereas last year you could get an S55 for 90+k. I did have reservations about the ultra-low 35 series tires, but the 4-position air-suspension has the perfect settings. And with my W12 boasting 20" wheels with the Sport-pkg, so the ride harshness is nil. The interior is the usual Audi pace-setting standard, with no detail overlooked. On one note: This the first German car I've had since my 911 that actually "barks" upon cold start-up. Exhilarating to say the least. Also, when I came to pick up the car, I asked could I get a matching R8, and the owner said how long do I have? I replied how long is long? He said well you can be put on the wait list in 3 years, so figure 5 for the car.... Replies to this message: scottphillip (Oct 04, 2006 11:45 am) blkhemi (Oct 04, 2006 2:20 pm) reality2 (Oct 04, 2006 8:31 pm)