Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#19181 of 24723 Re: A Taste of Lexus....2006 [merc1]
Sep 25, 2006 (8:33 am)
Merc - Firstly, thank you for a great post that has clearly injected some fresh adrenaline into the board.
When I saw the IS at the auto show, after its release, I was impressed as well. For a car of that type, I thought it was well executed.
However, I am quite positive that I would end up a BMW buyer if purchasing a car in that segment.
If you were a buyer choosing between the LS460L and the S550 . . . does one car truly stand out, based upon your impressions and tests of both vehicles?
#19183 of 24723 Re: Taste of Lexus...2006 (cont) [merc1]
Sep 25, 2006 (10:23 am)
Hell, my 05 has what many would call "grabby" brakes. I kind of like them, once you get used to them.
#19184 of 24723 Re: Taste of Lexus...2006 (cont) [merc1]
Sep 25, 2006 (10:29 am)
On the subject of grabby brakes. The 335i coupe I drove had REAL grabby brakes, so much that when I got back into my Boxster I felt like it had NO brakes. Takes some getting used to.
Sep 25, 2006 (10:51 am)
When I drove the 330i in the spring of 2005, the brakes were so grabby, I immediately crossed the vehicle off my list.
The 545 brakes on the other hand are not grabby.
Just impossible to modulate to a nice smooth stop.
Always a jerk at the end (not referring to me) which I find maddening.
The next vehicle I shop will definitely have nice smooth brakes. If it is not a BMW vehicle, so be it.
Looking forward to checking out the LS brakes when I get my "Taste" in November, although I cannot honestly see myself getting involved with this particular vehicle or the GS450h which I will also have the opportunity to drive.
Of all the cars I have test-driven over the last 2 years, the only one that had completely acceptable brakes was the Infiniti M. The worst belonged to the 330i and the GS430.
#19186 of 24723 Re: A Taste of Lexus....2006 [ivan_99]
Sep 25, 2006 (12:59 pm)
No restraints was the real deal killer. Otherwise I would have found a real good excuse for owning a coupe instead.
#19187 of 24723 Warren Buffet will make another financial killing
Sep 25, 2006 (1:01 pm)
Buffett’s car goes for $73,200 on eBay
Money will go to nonprofit organization that helps young girls
You know the old saying: Never ever be on the other side of a transaction when dealing with Warren Buffett.
A price of $73,200 for a used Town Car .
Oh well at least the funds are going to a charity.
#19188 of 24723 Head of Lexus questions whether the LS really was a HELM
Sep 25, 2006 (1:51 pm)
Even the head of Lexus thinks the current LS430 and prior LS models was not considered by buyers as a premium luxury car (in other words a HELM)
At Lexus for instance, Mr. Carter concedes that up until now, when wealthy customers considered their choices for premium luxury cars, "we weren't on those shopping lists" next to the segment defining Mercedes S Class and BMW 7 series
SOURCE WALL STREET JOURNAL Sept. 25, 2006
Ofcourse Carter claims the LS460 and the hybrid models will change things. Similar to his predictions that the Lexus GS and IS will be very competitive to the BMW 5 series and 3 series ( a highly debateable prediction at this point of time)
Sep 25, 2006 (2:09 pm)
When I test drove the 2005 LS, it had a very thin slippery, wooden steering wheel with an uncomfortable driver's seat. My back began to hurt after a few minutes despite the lumbar support. It had very sensitive brakes which quite a few other posters agreed with me about. The vehicle had noticeable body lean.
Given all that, I felt it was overpriced as a HELM. I didn't feel there was much value there for the money.
When I test drove the 545 vs the GS430, it wasn't even close:
The GS had a slippery, thin, partially-wooden steering wheel, highly sensitive brakes, wishy-washy adaptive steering, a confining cabin, limited head room, an uncomfortable driver's seat, a ridiculously-placed utility tray containing needed switches and buttons and a very narrow trunk.
What the GS didn't have thankfully, was an iDrive type controller. In its place was a fairly easy to use touch screen.
I leased the driver's car, the awesome, impeccably-styled, 545 (even though the Lexus salesman came down to only a few bucks more than the BMW and people on the GS board were begging me to name the salesman).
Just don't ask me to change from FM to AM in the BMW.
I'm only a chemist, not a rocket scientist.
#19190 of 24723 Re: Not Debateable [hpowders]
Sep 25, 2006 (3:09 pm)
I leased the driver's car, the awesome, impeccably-styled, 545. Just don't ask me to change from FM to AM.
My idrive solution is to avoid listening to AM.
Hopefully I will be able to master some functions of idrvie before I sell my car. So at least by then I can show the new owner how to handle the radio