High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#19067 of 24700 Toyota and Recalls by blkhemi Sep 20, 2006 (11:59 am)
What this only proves is that, yes, even the quality king has problems. Did anyone ever expect Dell to be in the shape it's in, the all-out king of computers? No. Toyota has problems. Just like the General. Just like Ford. Even like it's homeland competitor Mitsu. May it be corruption, scandal, or plain lack of useability/attention of the brand, they all have their problems. But Toyota's problem is unique in that it can have an X amount of recalls but their sales never waver. Sure it makes headline news, particularly here in the States. But is it a deal breaker for someone looking at that sporty Camry SE V-6? Absolutely not. OTOH, when it comes to "world domination", it's easier said than done. It's pure economic sense. GM has stables in 6 continents and 96 countries. Toyota is really a start up company in East Europe and next-door-neighbor, China. Almost obsolete in the Land Down Under. So it's gonna take more than "we're Toyota" to have the king's crown. It can be done, but not this decade..... Replies to this message: tagman (Sep 20, 2006 12:21 pm) blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 1:55 pm) killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 1:02 pm) blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 1:53 pm) syswei (Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm) and 2 more... ivan_99 (Sep 20, 2006 2:56 pm) nvbanker (Sep 21, 2006 7:26 am) ivan_99 (Sep 21, 2006 9:16 am) dewey (Sep 21, 2006 9:19 am) tagman (Sep 21, 2006 9:57 am)
#19068 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [blkhemi] by tagman Sep 20, 2006 (12:21 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 11:59 am) OTOH, when it comes to "world domination", it's easier said than done. I just wanted to make it clear, given the way the posts were going, that there is a distinct difference between recalls and reliability. "World domination" doesn't happen overnight. But, Toyota certainly is on a track that could get them there. There are other factors at play here, as well. Particularly regarding the energy scenario. GM has recently patented some of its hydrogen fuel engineering, and while I don't think it will necessarily hurt Toyota, I do think that it represents that the automobile industry is in such a massive and unprecedented transition, and that there will be major rewards for innovation when the dust settles . . . and GM certainly has the potential to be innovative. TagMan Replies to this message: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 1:55 pm)
#19069 of 24700 No More Cars by houdini1 Sep 20, 2006 (12:42 pm)
Yep, looks like our love affair is over. The California Attorney General filed suit today against the top 6 auto makers alledging billions of dollars of damage to the CA environment because of green house gas emissions. Extorting billions from tobacco wasn't enough for these crooks. Their quest for deep pockets continues. Gimme a break! Replies to this message: alp8 (Sep 21, 2006 10:38 am) pat (Sep 21, 2006 10:43 am) ivan_99 (Sep 21, 2006 11:50 am) blkhemi (Sep 21, 2006 12:20 pm)
#19070 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [blkhemi] by killerbunny Sep 20, 2006 (1:02 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 11:59 am) Regarding: What this only proves is that, yes, even the quality king has problems. Did anyone ever expect Dell to be in the shape it's in, the all-out king of computers? No. Toyota has problems. Just like the General. Just like Ford. Even like it's homeland competitor Mitsu. Having more recalls is not the same as having poor quality. As of now, the JD-Power and Consumer Report's evaluation of Toyota cars are still top-notch. We can start the doomsaying for Toyota, after CR finds any significant change. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 1:53 pm) syswei (Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm) lexusguy (Sep 20, 2006 3:01 pm) and 1 more... ivan_99 (Sep 20, 2006 2:56 pm)
#19071 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [killerbunny] by blkhemi Sep 20, 2006 (1:53 pm)
Replying to: killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 1:02 pm) You may want to re-read your JDP report. No Toyota is not at the top, it's that brand that only a short 10 years ago was the laughing stock in the auto world, and that brand is Hyundai. BTW: CR is for losers.... Replies to this message: syswei (Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm) lexusguy (Sep 20, 2006 3:01 pm) syswei (Sep 20, 2006 3:23 pm)
#19072 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [tagman] by blkhemi Sep 20, 2006 (1:55 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Sep 20, 2006 12:21 pm) As usual, very well put. Understood and agreed.
#19073 of 24700 Re: Global Domination in Sales but not in Quality! [dewey] by lexusguy Sep 20, 2006 (2:15 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Sep 20, 2006 9:49 am) Where on earth are you getting those figures? Do these figures include the Ford Pinto, Torino and Mercury Capri? The figures are very real. From Detroit news: The Dearborn automaker has recalled 6.7 million vehicles worldwide since January 2005 that are equipped with a Texas Instruments speed control deactivation switch that has been linked to dozens of engine fires and has sparked numerous lawsuits. If the combined total of 6.7 million vehicles called back -- including 5.8 million in the United States -- were a single recall, it would be the fourth-largest ever, behind a 1996 Ford recall of 7.9 million vehicles for ignition switches and two by General Motors Corp., according to NHTSA data. Full link here Toyota has a long way to go before they can match the domestics for "recall all-stars". Replies to this message: dewey (Sep 21, 2006 2:40 am)
#19074 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [blkhemi] by syswei Sep 20, 2006 (2:50 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Sep 20, 2006 1:53 pm) You may want to re-read your JDP report. No Toyota is not at the top, it's that brand that only a short 10 years ago was the laughing stock in the auto world, and that brand is Hyundai. Well, I've predicted before that lexicans would be defending their favorite brand from koreancarfans in 10 years or so. On the other hand, as regards JDP, most people consider the VDS more important than IQS. VDS rankings 2006 IQS rankings 2006 Replies to this message: lexusguy (Sep 20, 2006 3:01 pm) syswei (Sep 20, 2006 3:23 pm)
#19075 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [killerbunny] by ivan_99 Sep 20, 2006 (2:56 pm)
Replying to: killerbunny (Sep 20, 2006 1:02 pm) As of now, the JD-Power and Consumer Report's evaluation of Toyota cars are still top-notch. We can start the doomsaying for Toyota, after CR finds any significant change. Wouldn't that be a notch below Buick and Cadillac? Luckily the individuals that designed and manufactured my “old” 99 A6 didn't read any of these publications; my A6 was more reliable than my subsequent Honda.
#19076 of 24700 Re: Toyota and Recalls [syswei] by lexusguy Sep 20, 2006 (3:01 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm) Well, I've predicted before that lexicans would be defending their favorite brand from koreancarfans in 10 years or so. It will be interesting to see how Hyundai does in the 2009 VDS report. Their quality has improved quite a bit since '03. Replies to this message: syswei (Sep 20, 2006 3:23 pm)